Chevrolet - Listen to your customers and Build the Camaro we Want

[myold88]

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

The only bad thing about the camaro it's the weight, puts too much stress on the parts and wastes alot of gas too. if the car was 3500lbs then you would have a better performing car, there are many things GM could have done to lower the weight of the vehicle, like lighter rims, battery, dash, doors ,exhaust, brakes, better suited platform "smaller", lighter materials. Furtherore you would have a car that saves you gas performs like it should,

Different strokes for different folks. I added 80 lbs of sound deadening insulation to my SS. It's the only thing I found lacking in my Camaro.
If this car was 3500 lbs it wouldn't be as safe or comfortable on the highway and I doubt the increased MPG would be noticed.
This car can't be all things to all people.

[NYJets77]

Even during the height of muscle car history, Chevy didn't do what the OP is suggesting; that's why Baldwin Motion and Yenko did so well. And it was a business model that made everyone happy (well, except maybe the EPA in the early 70s).

[Z/28orSs]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

I have owned every generation of Camaro....multiple examples of them. I never said they haven't gotten better.

I wonder how short this thread would be if people read what I actually posted instead of what they think I am saying.

i get what your saying you want a better product !!!!!!
and im sayin i dont agree with you r view on the topic because you have over looked a few things.

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

The only bad thing about the camaro it's the weight, puts too much stress on the parts and wastes alot of gas too. if the car was 3500lbs then you would have a better performing car, there are many things GM could have done to lower the weight of the vehicle, like lighter rims, battery, dash, doors ,exhaust, brakes, better suited platform "smaller", lighter materials. Furtherore you would have a car that saves you gas performs like it should,

Yes that would be very nice But the M3 (e92) with dst weights 37xx
my 4th at 3400 gets the same gas as my 38XX 5th gen

[calegarrison]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Maybe but I couldn't buy one when I bought my car....they aren't available and listed January 2012 as the release date. I want it now.

426hp is meh.....Mid 13 second ets are hardly anything to get super excited about....at last not in my opinion.

i would love your car. at least GM didnt make you get a v6. the v6 is fast but i wanted an ss. i couldnt say no to synergy green so im here today in my v6. id be happy to have your car

[esperman]

Originally Posted by wullger

only thing worthwhile in this whole thread lol thanks for the real laugh!

[NitroBeagle]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

I recently purchased my 2011 SS and am busy building it into the car that I want it to be. I want more power, I need a better clutch, apparently the rear axles aren't worth crap etc etc. I just read a thread about the driveshaft being a pile of poo and the list goes on.

I would say this in an open letter to Chevrolet....one of my other hobbies are Jeeps. Jeep for years built shallow versions of what real Jeep enthusiasts wanted in order to satisfy the bean counters. They would never build a Jeep Wrangler that was actually a very capable off-roader, at least not REAL off roading.

For years Jeep enthusiasts asked for stronger axles, they asked for locked differentials, they asked for capable suspensions etc. Jeep never built it and the aftermarket prospered. Jeep FINALLY capitulated and built the Rubicon. They built it almost begrudgingly and expected it to be an utter failure due to the costs involved. This model featured Dana 44 axles front and back, electronic lockable axles, electronic swaybar disconnect....in other words...a very capable Jeep.

It cost more sure...but Jeep enthusiasts FLOCKED to this model Jeep and purchased as many as Jeep could make. The extra price tag made this model very profitable for Jeep and they continue to build them today.

I want a Camaro with a stout clutch, performance suspension, a rock solid set of axles and 500 damn horsepower at the rear wheel. I'd like to buy it and race it....not modify it just to make it capable of running with the big dogs. Don't get me wrong, the base SS is a nice car but I'd gladly pay more for a better axle, a stronger clutch and a strong motor.

Learn from Chrysler/Jeep....one of the most inept companies ever....listening to their enthusiast base was a very profitable move for them.

I hear what you're saying. Did you see the HotRod article "What will break".? Talks about engine parts breaking at higher hp. But all the current muscle cars have issues with stuff breaking. Yes it could be better, but if you have the $ to do some mods, that is where the fun starts. But totally understand what you are saying.

[Lazerbrainz2k3]

Originally Posted by TangerineDream

I cannot believe I sat here and read this thread.... sadly it is a part of my life I can never get back.

But what is more sad is that someone merely posted their opinions on what they want in a Camaro NOW rather than waiting for the "one" that is to come out "soon" and that opinion quickly got turned around and somehow became a blasphemous slander against Chevy.

Really??? Wow... I too am glad I chose never to have kids. God forbid they grow up to be as self inflated as some of you.....

If your idea of "self-inflated" is NOT complaining that Chevy didn't base its entire production schedule based off what's best for one individual buyer - a nobody in the grand scheme of corporate decision-making, frankly - and then going so far as to try and pin that opinion on "we" the entire community as if the entire community had granted that one buyer permission to speak for it, then I agree with you both - it's for the best that you didn't reproduce. I'm sure finding a woman willing to procreate with that kind of non-self-inflated self-inflation had NOTHING to do with it...

If the OP had said "man, I wish they had the Camaro I want - aka the ZL1 - in production when I was ready to buy!" then aside from some questions about why he couldn't be a little bit more patient, no one would have a problem with it. Heck, I understand that - I would have really liked to have the convertible myself (in ABM, too! God it would have been beautiful) if it was available when I was ready to buy. But it wasn't, and I didn't want to wait, so I got what I got. I'm not going to complain about it, much less go around acting like Chevy is somehow letting its customers other than me down by not having what I really, really wanted ready for just ME.

[SSBUSDRVR]

I hear what you're saying. Did you see the HotRod article "What will break".? Talks about engine parts breaking at higher hp.

And that article wasn't completely on the spot either. Scroll down through the link and check out Andy@Livernois' response to this article(they were interviewed for it but it sure doesn't sound like they listened to them) You add big power you can break things. However some will make you think that things are breaking constantly. Just not the case.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142384

"These car's are not as weak as some of the info above implies..."

[stand-al0ne]

I skipped all the middle pages, so if this has been brought up, well, whatever.

But you say Jeep listened to the people and built the Rubicon (which is really sweet - I love off-roading), but it too them a while to do it. OK, so how is the release of the ZL1 any different??

As you said, Jeep did not originally produce the Rubicon from the get-go. I'm sure there are alot of non-Rubicon Wrangle owners who wished they had known about a Rubicon coming out before they bought...

That said, Chevy is making a car for you and I can't see why this thread went out 9 pages?

If anything, be glad you've had such advance notice about the ZL1 coming out to give you enough time to save up or trade when its at dealerships.

[stand-al0ne]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

They did listen. It's just hard to sell things yesterday...

Coolest saying I've read all month That needs to be written down somewhere because too many people do not get that.

[Rocky918]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

You know with proper driving this is mid to high 12 sec. car right? If you can't get it there, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

mid to 12 second car? lol your on drugs man ...

the VERY best time I have seen a professional driver get with an SS is a 12.98s on the quarter mile ... and this was a professional driver. It was posted here on the forums many many months back so I dont know where to find it

keep dreaming if you think a stock SS will be a 12 second car normally... the avg person can expect it to be low/mid 13s

I also agree that a 13 second car is nothing to get overly excited about ... I hope the ZL-1 comes in mid-high 11s

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Rocky918

mid to 12 second car? lol your on drugs man ...

the VERY best time I have seen a professional driver get with an SS is a 12.98s on the quarter mile ... and this was a professional driver. It was posted here on the forums many many months back so I dont know where to find it

keep dreaming if you think a stock SS will be a 12 second car normally... the avg person can expect it to be low/mid 13s

I also agree that a 13 second car is nothing to get overly excited about ... I hope the ZL-1 comes in mid-high 11s

That's incorrect --

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013

nhra stocker went 12.58 @ 110
2quick went 12.615 @ 111
blufin went 12.618 @ 110

[Rocky918]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

That's incorrect --

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013

nhra stocker went 12.58 @ 110
2quick went 12.615 @ 111
blufin went 12.618 @ 110

did not see that... well in that case its still extremely rare for stock camaros to pull this ... were these 100% stock tires and everything? .. and conditions must have also been perfect

[HumanWiki]

As far as I understand that 1st table.... Yes, that required 100% stock vehicle.. no mods whatsoever... The 2nd table shows bolt-ons.

but, yes --- most people (myself included) lack the driver mod.