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GatorBlue371 · 03-10-2009, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Yeah I was referring to the RS, it might not hit state side anyway but this is one bad audi

Yea I love Audi's... there are 4 of them in my family, but the real bad boy that is coming out is the RS5

ArcAngel · 03-10-2009, 07:44 PM

You mean R5 dont you Gator?

wildpaws · 03-10-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Clyde if thats what you meant ok, but I know alot of people on this and 370z forums that are cross shopping. Muscle Master leftlane news has the announcement the TT-RS is coming stateside! Yes it is one bad ass Audi. Audi is my favorite german company

I think that a certain number of enthusiasts will cross shop them, I don't think the vast majority of non enthusiast buyers will. And I certainly expect the non enthusiast buyers to outnumber us by at least 10 to 1, thus my statement I don't see much cross shopping. Like it or not, we as enthusiasts are a small portion of the overall market, hope that helps to clarify.
Clyde

ArcAngel · 03-10-2009, 08:07 PM

Very well then that defiantly clarifies your position

GatorBlue371 · 03-10-2009, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

You mean R5 dont you Gator?

No, Audi RS5

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/19/v...ts-german-for/

waldopepper · 03-11-2009, 03:48 PM

I'm 44 years old. The third car I owned was a '84 Z28 with a HO engine. I loved that car. But GM was having significant dependability issues about that time so when I got a new car I got a Honda and I've stuck with them since. To be very honest until this 2010 Camaro comes out there hasn't been anything in GM's lineup that appeals to me other than a Vette which isn't practical for me as a father of two. But when I saw this car on the movie Transformers I was thinking that GM is finally gonna make a car that looks cool and can fit my needs. I like it more and more everytime I look at it. But, for me, it will need to compete with a G37 or IS350. I know they are different kinds of cars that appeal to the driver for different reasons but when I get to test drive a Camaro I have a feeling it will win over the others just because of it's V8 and American muscle. No import sounds as sweet as american muscle (OK, maybe a Ferrari or something). I hope that GM hits a homerun with this one. I hope that they understand that every quality issue needs to be handled properly. I just wanted to throw my two cents in in response to the issue of cross shopping. I wish the best for GM and I can't wait to test drive an SS2.

ArcAngel · 03-11-2009, 03:56 PM

I totally agree with the above post. I hope the quality is much better and that if there are issues they will be resolved accordingly. I also agree that many of those cars will be cross shopped. There are a few Japanese cars that will be looked at. In this day the v8 only holds weight with a small minority. It seems people forget that. It's about the whole car and a v8 won't make quality ie interior failings up to the majority.

tvfreakazoid · 03-11-2009, 04:17 PM

I saw the audi a5 in person and it looked really nice, especially with the led's.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-11-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

ie interior failings up to the majority.

Can you define quality...as you used it in this statement, I mean....I think I know where you're going, and I'd like to debate the point a little...

ArcAngel · 03-11-2009, 09:31 PM

well Dragoneye it's more of perception in the quality. The quality is as good if not better than competition, but when GM uses hard plastics, it dumbs down cheapens if you will the perception of quality. Hence the perception gap between the Japanese per se and the American manufacturers it doesn't really exist. It's just perceived because of hard touch materials and cheap looking plastics. If there was soft touch and some real aluminum trim you would see the perception improve 100 fold, but there is not and it isn't.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-11-2009, 09:40 PM

Have you been inside a production Camaro? I can't remember if you ever said you were or not........

ArcAngel · 03-11-2009, 09:43 PM

yes I have at the philly auto show.

tally114 · 03-11-2009, 09:46 PM

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ompetitor.html

check it out. these guys are pretty cool though, so lets be civil.

ArcAngel · 03-11-2009, 09:53 PM

hey Tally I posted that somewhere before it's funny its my post on here that they posted on there lol I'm a member of both forums LOL

03-10-2009, 07:44 PM	#184
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	You mean R5 dont you Gator? __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

03-10-2009, 08:07 PM	#186
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	Very well then that defiantly clarifies your position __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

03-11-2009, 03:48 PM	#188
waldopepper Drives: 1999 Accord Coupe Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1	Cross shopping I'm 44 years old. The third car I owned was a '84 Z28 with a HO engine. I loved that car. But GM was having significant dependability issues about that time so when I got a new car I got a Honda and I've stuck with them since. To be very honest until this 2010 Camaro comes out there hasn't been anything in GM's lineup that appeals to me other than a Vette which isn't practical for me as a father of two. But when I saw this car on the movie Transformers I was thinking that GM is finally gonna make a car that looks cool and can fit my needs. I like it more and more everytime I look at it. But, for me, it will need to compete with a G37 or IS350. I know they are different kinds of cars that appeal to the driver for different reasons but when I get to test drive a Camaro I have a feeling it will win over the others just because of it's V8 and American muscle. No import sounds as sweet as american muscle (OK, maybe a Ferrari or something). I hope that GM hits a homerun with this one. I hope that they understand that every quality issue needs to be handled properly. I just wanted to throw my two cents in in response to the issue of cross shopping. I wish the best for GM and I can't wait to test drive an SS2.

03-11-2009, 03:56 PM	#189
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	I totally agree with the above post. I hope the quality is much better and that if there are issues they will be resolved accordingly. I also agree that many of those cars will be cross shopped. There are a few Japanese cars that will be looked at. In this day the v8 only holds weight with a small minority. It seems people forget that. It's about the whole car and a v8 won't make quality ie interior failings up to the majority. __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

03-11-2009, 04:17 PM	#190
tvfreakazoid Drives: 98 saturn manual Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: norcal Posts: 52	I saw the audi a5 in person and it looked really nice, especially with the led's. __________________ You must watch when it comes out or else:slice:

03-11-2009, 09:31 PM	#192
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	well Dragoneye it's more of perception in the quality. The quality is as good if not better than competition, but when GM uses hard plastics, it dumbs down cheapens if you will the perception of quality. Hence the perception gap between the Japanese per se and the American manufacturers it doesn't really exist. It's just perceived because of hard touch materials and cheap looking plastics. If there was soft touch and some real aluminum trim you would see the perception improve 100 fold, but there is not and it isn't. __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

03-11-2009, 09:40 PM	#193
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Have you been inside a production Camaro? I can't remember if you ever said you were or not........ __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

03-11-2009, 09:43 PM	#194
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	yes I have at the philly auto show. __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

03-11-2009, 09:46 PM	#195
tally114 Drives: 08 C6 NPP, MZ6 436hp, M2W Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Van Buren Posts: 39	http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ompetitor.html check it out. these guys are pretty cool though, so lets be civil.

03-11-2009, 09:53 PM	#196
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	hey Tally I posted that somewhere before it's funny its my post on here that they posted on there lol I'm a member of both forums LOL __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

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