My Camaro went home to Oshawa to die......

[S-eatin-grin]

I have to say though Mike, I was a bit dissapointed to hear that you are dropping a crate LS3 back in and not touching it..I can understand after what you just went through, but there will never be a better time to drop a forged longblock in there with a (sorry have to say it) 3 bolt cam and it will be stronger than the untouched LS3 and ready to roar...you already said you are adding bolt-ons and a tune....you know that mod itch is gonna come back and your are gonna stratch it!! (wow, I sound like a drug dealer) probably can salvage some stuff from your motor..either way...can't wait to hear that your back on the road with her

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by S-eatin-grin

I have to say though Mike, I was a bit dissapointed to hear that you are dropping a crate LS3 back in and not touching it..I can understand after what you just went through, but there will never be a better time to drop a forged longblock in there with a (sorry have to say it) 3 bolt cam and it will be stronger than the untouched LS3 and ready to roar...you already said you are adding bolt-ons and a tune....you know that mod itch is gonna come back and your are gonna stratch it!! (wow, I sound like a drug dealer) probably can salvage some stuff from your motor..either way...can't wait to hear that your back on the road with her

Mrs. Mike will chop his balls off if he mods the next engine...

[S-eatin-grin]

Originally Posted by trm0002

Mrs. Mike will chop his balls off if he mods the next engine...

I thought that might have been part of it...that's why it has to be dropped in already stroked so he doesn't have to touch it As simple as saying CC performance or some other is going to rebuild me one with a new block and parts from his that can be used and ship it back ready to go in..just saying. I understand though. My wife would be pissed too...in fact she already is...I have to step carefully when I talk about any further mods to mine.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

Ok i think that the pin may be sherd, but i do not think this was the problem, If you lost a rod, its more likely that is what made this motor grenade, Think about it, we have seen a sherd pin in a cam before and it bent valves and push rods but never the rods.

When we use to Run 1/4 mi race cars we had a motor let go like this we ran aluminum rods and trying to save $ we ran the sets to long and one let go, But it did not go true the pan, it went up and lets say the only parts we reused after that was the pan & heads the rest was scrap.

So i say it was the rod that went out first and that made the cam get pushed out of timing and then you lost the rest.

Maybe the pin sheared and the valve hit enough to break it. a broken valve can cause everything that happened to his motor.

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Just went through the whole thread.

I would agree with SUX2BU, I think that maybe the pin tip sheared off. But SUX2BU (can't remember your name we've met in the past), you don't think there is a chance that when the output shaft sheared that the engine could have experience a big overrev?

In the old day of the LS engine, I broke it all, PtoV (just marked up the pistons) and I even broke a timing chain.

I don't remember already, but did you by chance break off an valve, any of them broken?

If you are looking for helpers on the car let me know, I'd try to swing by since you are not far. Looks like you need to source an engine hoist.

It's Juan, but half the people I know from the car world only know me as SUX2BU, LOL. Either is fine.
As long as the rev limiter is in place I don't think an over rev would hurt anything.

Originally Posted by S-eatin-grin

I have to say though Mike, I was a bit dissapointed to hear that you are dropping a crate LS3 back in and not touching it..I can understand after what you just went through, but there will never be a better time to drop a forged longblock in there with a (sorry have to say it) 3 bolt cam and it will be stronger than the untouched LS3 and ready to roar...you already said you are adding bolt-ons and a tune....you know that mod itch is gonna come back and your are gonna stratch it!! (wow, I sound like a drug dealer) probably can salvage some stuff from your motor..either way...can't wait to hear that your back on the road with her

I looked at the crate motor prices :eek: . With that kind of money you could get a LS3 bare block, heads, crank and throw some forged internals in it. Or you could spend about half as much and buy a low mile LS3 long block, you don't really need all the extra stuff the crate motor comes with (intake, coils, manifolds, accessories). But i understand if you want a warranty.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by S-eatin-grin

I personally can't see a problem with it...it's charity...no one is making any money off this and I think that it's awesome that forum members are helping. It speaks volumes for what goes on in here that the forum could foster such a connection with owners of this car that folks arewilling to help someone out

It's beyond awesome.....from beggining to end the Camaro community has proven to be top notch!

Originally Posted by S-eatin-grin

I have to say though Mike, I was a bit dissapointed to hear that you are dropping a crate LS3 back in and not touching it..I can understand after what you just went through, but there will never be a better time to drop a forged longblock in there with a (sorry have to say it) 3 bolt cam and it will be stronger than the untouched LS3 and ready to roar...you already said you are adding bolt-ons and a tune....you know that mod itch is gonna come back and your are gonna stratch it!! (wow, I sound like a drug dealer) probably can salvage some stuff from your motor..either way...can't wait to hear that your back on the road with her

As much as I'd like to, I have to use common sense and just leave it be. Now, if anything was usable out of the old engine....maybe. But the only thing not wiped out was the lifter valley cover & the front timing cover.

Originally Posted by trm0002

Mrs. Mike will chop his balls off if he mods the next engine...

This....times oh...about 10,000,000

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

I looked at the crate motor prices :eek: . With that kind of money you could get a LS3 bare block, heads, crank and throw some forged internals in it. Or you could spend about half as much and buy a low mile LS3 long block, you don't really need all the extra stuff the crate motor comes with (intake, coils, manifolds, accessories).

Let's just say I had some help to get an amazing price on the complete engine.

[S-eatin-grin]

I looked at the crate motor prices :eek: . With that kind of money you could get a LS3 bare block, heads, crank and throw some forged internals in it. Or you could spend about half as much and buy a low mile LS3 long block, you don't really need all the extra stuff the crate motor comes with (intake, coils, manifolds, accessories).[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I'm saying...he can pull a lot of stuff off that thing and rebuild a stronger, more powerful forged motor for not much more than the crate motor...have a talk with Mrs. Mike and show her that it can come back stronger (and far less likely to blow up again) for not much more than you'd spend for the crate engine.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by S-eatin-grin

That's exactly what I'm saying...he can pull a lot of stuff off that thing and rebuild a stronger, more powerful forged motor for not much more than the crate motor...have a talk with Mrs. Mike and show her that it can come back stronger (and far less likely to blow up again) for not much more than you'd spend for the crate engine.

I made a few phone calls about stroker engines....let's just say the best price I found on a 416 shortblock was $100 over what the complete crate engine cost.

My heads are junk, my block is junk...I have no usable parts to build anything out of.

Although, I do have a kick ass flower planter planned for my old block

[S-eatin-grin]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I made a few phone calls about stroker engines....let's just say the best price I found on a 416 shortblock was $100 over what the complete crate engine cost.

My heads are junk, my block is junk...I have no usable parts to build anything out of.

Although, I do have a kick ass flower planter planned for my old block

Wow...you must be getting a killer price!! There are some shops on here selling complete 416 shortblocks for around 5K. I'm not meaning to give you a hard time...a stock LS3 is still an awesome engine! I'm glad someone is giving you a good deal on a crate motor

[Camarowguy]

Looking at those pics I've noticed a few things. Looks like all the valves hit the pistons. And it also looks like this wasn't an all of a sudden thing. Looks like it's been going on for some time.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by Camarowguy

Looking at those pics I've noticed a few things. Looks like all the valves hit the pistons. And it also looks like this wasn't an all of a sudden thing. Looks like it's been going on for some time.

No way was that going on for any extended period of time. First off, his engine would sound like a diesel; 2nd, he'd have experienced a massive loss of power if things were that out of whack...

[Nvincent4708]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I made a few phone calls about stroker engines....let's just say the best price I found on a 416 shortblock was $100 over what the complete crate engine cost.

My heads are junk, my block is junk...I have no usable parts to build anything out of.

Although, I do have a kick ass flower planter planned for my old block

The block makes a good coffee table!

We just completely pressure washed / degreased mine. Gonna add casters, some lighting inside each cylinder (LED) and gonna get glass for the top.

[Camarowguy]

Originally Posted by trm0002

No way was that going on for any extended period of time. First off, his engine would sound like a diesel; 2nd, he'd have experienced a massive loss of power if things were that out of whack...

I'm not here to argue with you by any means, but I know for a fact that you are incorrect. I had a 350 that I had for a spare engine while I build my big cube motor. It had a pretty healthy cam in it (242/248@.050 .600+ lift) and so I fly cut the pistons. Evidently I didn't fly cut them enough. When I pulled the engine out to put my big engine in....I could clearly see where the valves contacted the pistons on a regular basis. Did mine sound like a diesel? Umm, not at all. So that goes to show what you "think" is not always correct. It ran just fine also. 12.05. @117mph on motor with hankook radials. Why didn't it fail? My guess is I didn't give it long enough. Why didn't it run like shit? Because Im guessing contact was only at higher rpm.

[Camarowguy]

Out of curiosity, how many l99's have had a failure like this?