Skip Shift?

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Drive it first. I drove the SS for three days before I noticed it even had it.

It only occurs on light throttle low rpm shifts. Shift over 2000 rpm and you will hardly notice it or accelerate hard and you will never notice it.

Seriously, I've driven a lot of cars with CAGS and this is the least intrusive car I've ever driven with it.

I'll take your word for it since you've driven the car, but this is exactly the OPPOSITE of what Car And Driver said about the CAGS system on the Pontiac G8 GXP. I assumed they'd be the same system, but apparently they're not.

"Instead, we get the hated first-to-fourth skip-shift system on the six-speed manual. Though it doesn’t prevent the GXP from getting nailed with a $1700 guzzler penalty, a fairly aggressive—meaning intrusive—program minimizes the tariff."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ond_short_take

[edog]

Originally Posted by cam2fst4u

I just thought about something... On my 2000 camaro it had a skip shift. (I do not know if this is the right term or not) It was really annoying. Does anyone know if this will be on the new one or not? Sorry if this has already been asked.

Is this for stick or auto?

[cam2fst4u]

well it shouldn't be that bad considering the hp it has now that i think about it. Just have to drive one to find out

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by edog

Is this for stick or auto?

stick. or did you not read any of the discussion thus far?

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by Number 3

It only occurs on light throttle low rpm shifts. Shift over 2000 rpm and you will hardly notice it or accelerate hard and you will never notice it.

Number 3, when you say that if you shift over 2000 rpm you will "hardly notice it," what exactly does that mean?

I have never driven a CAGS-equipped car, but from what I understand, it's a solenoid switch that enages in certain conditions, like you said, if the rpm is under 2000, the throttle position is less than 25%, and the temp is above 160 degrees. (I made those conditions up, but I think it's something like that.) When the switch engages, it literally locks 2nd gear out, so when you pull the shifter down, it will go down and around the gate into 4th gear. Physically.

So how can you hardly notice that?

Do you mean it rarely shifts from 1st to 4th? Or do you mean that when it does shift from 1st to 4th you don't notice it? Because I'm pretty sure I'd notice the difference between 2nd and 4th gear...

And speaking of automatically going into 4th gear, is there an electronic gear indicator or CAGS indicator letting you know it shifted into 4th for you?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Number 3, when you say that if you shift over 2000 rpm you will "hardly notice it," what exactly does that mean?

I have never driven a CAGS-equipped car, but from what I understand, it's a solenoid switch that enages in certain conditions, like you said, if the rpm is under 2000, the throttle position is less than 25%, and the temp is above 160 degrees. (I made those conditions up, but I think it's something like that.) When the switch engages, it literally locks 2nd gear out, so when you pull the shifter down, it will go down and around the gate into 4th gear. Physically.

So how can you hardly notice that?

Do you mean it rarely shifts from 1st to 4th? Or do you mean that when it does shift from 1st to 4th you don't notice it? Because I'm pretty sure I'd notice the difference between 2nd and 4th gear...

And speaking of automatically going into 4th gear, is there an electronic gear indicator or CAGS indicator letting you know it shifted into 4th for you?

it doesnt shift it for you. it disallows you from shifting into 2nd. and forces you to go into 4th gear. it is on a manual, you still shift it. but like your conditions that you stated, it will not allow you to go into 2nd based on vehicle speed, engine load, etc.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Number 3, when you say that if you shift over 2000 rpm you will "hardly notice it," what exactly does that mean?

I have never driven a CAGS-equipped car, but from what I understand, it's a solenoid switch that enages in certain conditions, like you said, if the rpm is under 2000, the throttle position is less than 25%, and the temp is above 160 degrees. (I made those conditions up, but I think it's something like that.) When the switch engages, it literally locks 2nd gear out, so when you pull the shifter down, it will go down and around the gate into 4th gear. Physically.

So how can you hardly notice that?

Do you mean it rarely shifts from 1st to 4th? Or do you mean that when it does shift from 1st to 4th you don't notice it? Because I'm pretty sure I'd notice the difference between 2nd and 4th gear...

And speaking of automatically going into 4th gear, is there an electronic gear indicator or CAGS indicator letting you know it shifted into 4th for you?

Sorry, what I mean is that if you shift above 2000 RPM or with a heavier throttle you will have a normal feeling 6 speed manual. The gate will only force you to 4th gear if you are driving very "gently". So when I say you hardly notice it, I mean I am rarely forced to 4th gear. For my normal driving I can pull straight to 2nd with no problem.

Also, you will learn that when driving very gently if you do get forced to 4th, you can just slide the lever a bit more right and then pull back down to 2nd. It will become 2nd nature. I udnerstand why it bugs some, but on the SS, I have rarely had the CAGS force me to 4th, usually just straight down to 2nd.

Hope that is a better explanation.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

it doesnt shift it for you. it disallows you from shifting into 2nd. and forces you to go into 4th gear. it is on a manual, you still shift it. but like your conditions that you stated, it will not allow you to go into 2nd based on vehicle speed, engine load, etc.

I understand it doesn't shift for you.

I didn't understand what Number 3 meant when he said that you "hardly notice it." I think I would notice when I tried to shift into second that it actually went into fourth, so I was just asking Number 3 for clarification. And if you don't notice it -- in other words, it felt just like a 1-2 shift, then is there an electronic indicator that CAGS just forced you to shift into 4th and not 2nd?

[Cyberfan]

I have it in my 02 Trans Am Firehawk. I didn't buy anything to eliminate it, but you just learn to keep it in the lower gear longer until the skip feature is no longer activated. I am so used to doing this that I never think about it, although it seems to me that by doing this, maybe I am using more gas keeping it in first longer. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the feature (to save gas)?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by wjones14

I understand it doesn't shift for you.

I didn't understand what Number 3 meant when he said that you "hardly notice it." I think I would notice when I tried to shift into second that it actually went into fourth, so I was just asking Number 3 for clarification. And if you don't notice it -- in other words, it felt just like a 1-2 shift, then is there an electronic indicator that CAGS just forced you to shift into 4th and not 2nd?

when you go to bring it down into 2nd, it slides it over and makes you go into 4th. its not that noticable unless you are really trying to feel it

[cam2fst4u]

its like a ramp/gate that prevents it to go straight down so when you go to shift to 2nd you hit that and you pull it down into 4th. I sometimes just changed to 3rd just so i wouldn't have to worry about it 4th seemed to be a lil too low sometimes for me

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Hope that is a better explanation.

Awesome, thanks for the clarification!

I'm still going to disable it first thing...

[CynAgain]

Originally Posted by zebra

there's even a few threads about it on here

Originally Posted by camaropete

Really? But how exactly would I go about finding those other threads zebra?

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

thats what I want to know.

Originally Posted by zebra

for those new to the site, the top right corner has a
just type "skip-shift" and some of the first few threads that come up explain the system:
Gas Guzzler tax?
Roadtrip in Victory Red Camaro SS w/ cloth interior! (Captured Test Fleet Car)
SKIP-SHIFT??????

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

oh.... OF COURSE!!!!! the search button....

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Originally Posted by wjones14

Awesome, thanks for the clarification!

I'm still going to disable it first thing...

[zebra]

Originally Posted by CynAgain

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you crack me up!