My Camaro went home to Oshawa to die......

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Honestly, I doubt you will see a dime from Comp, but it's worth a try.

I suspect you're correct....but there may be something they can do. Gotta make the call at least right?

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Yeah, I have more faith in the shop helping out. Comp MIGHT (and that's a big might) replace the cam.

Again, I think you're right....but we'll see.

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

If i know comp they may send a new pin to install in the cam, But if you have a good Lawyer that can help.

Pin wont help...I'm pretty sure the cam is wasted from the lifter leaving the block.

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Just a thought but why would you talk to a lawyer before you talk to the shop or to Comp?

I work for a large automotive related company and so of course occasionally we get the "I'll sue you" threat....which ends the conversation and gets handed to our lawyers. If a customer is reasonable and will explain their issue then I will talk to them.

Your call....just saying.

I agree with you 100%, one of my buddies is a lawyer...by talking to a lawyer, I mean just that. I pick his brain as to what if any legal recourse I may have if I can't get anywhere by talking to the vendor/shop.

My calls Monday won't involve any I'm going to sue you threats.....I'm going to explain what happened and what I've found via the tear down. With any luck it'll all end well.

[SC2150]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Just a thought but why would you talk to a lawyer before you talk to the shop or to Comp?

I work for a large automotive related company and so of course occasionally we get the "I'll sue you" threat....which ends the conversation and gets handed to our lawyers. If a customer is reasonable and will explain their issue then I will talk to them.

Your call....just saying.

Well stated. We have the same policy. So few accept where the blame really lies.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by SC2150

Well stated. We have the same policy. So few accept where the blame really lies.

Do you have an opinion as to what happened in this engine?

[Camarowguy]

Hugger, when it boils down to it, the shop who did the work should have found this. Comp cams in a round about way said to check the gear to make sure it was set all the way on the cam. If they would have paid attention in this area, that would have been noticed. Comp may send you another cam....and maybe because this issue has gone public in this forum, bit without that...I have a strong feeling you'd be on your own. The shop will probably blame it on comp, comp will blame it on the shop. I do wish you luck tho.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by Camarowguy

Hugger, when it boils down to it, the shop who did the work should have found this. Comp cams in a round about way said to check the gear to make sure it was set all the way on the cam. If they would have paid attention in this area, that would have been noticed. Comp may send you another cam....and maybe because this issue has gone public in this forum, bit without that...I have a strong feeling you'd be on your own. The shop will probably blame it on comp, comp will blame it on the shop. I do wish you luck tho.

could work out both ways. i know i am not thinking very highly of his shop right now. if his shop was a local shop for me, i wont go there if they messed something up and didn't help the owner.

[Huggerorange73]

Any ideas why I can't remove the intake lifter from cylinder # 2?

It's jammed in it's bore....the exhaust lifter for # 2 is the one that came through the block and broke a hardened pushrod in half.

Cam spins freely, so it's not locked up.

[Camarowguy]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Any ideas why I can't remove the intake lifter from cylinder # 2?

It's jammed in it's bore....the exhaust lifter for # 2 is the one that came through the block and broke a hardened pushrod in half.

Cam spins freely, so it's not locked up.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Any ideas why I can't remove the intake lifter from cylinder # 2?

It's jammed in it's bore....the exhaust lifter for # 2 is the one that came through the block and broke a hardened pushrod in half.

Cam spins freely, so it's not locked up.

Probably just got squeezed in in the up position.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by PQ

Probably just got squeezed in in the up position.

This engine should be in a Hall of Fame somewhere.....just sayin'

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

If i know comp they may send a new pin to install in the cam.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Camarowguy

Hugger, when it boils down to it, the shop who did the work should have found this. Comp cams in a round about way said to check the gear to make sure it was set all the way on the cam. If they would have paid attention in this area, that would have been noticed. Comp may send you another cam....and maybe because this issue has gone public in this forum, bit without that...I have a strong feeling you'd be on your own. The shop will probably blame it on comp, comp will blame it on the shop. I do wish you luck tho.

Big companies like Comp are pretty good at covering their ass when it comes to stuff like this. It SUX, but I think the blame falls on the shop in this case. I have never noticed a cam pin that was too long, but like I said, I swap out all one bolt cams for three bolt cams and there it doesn't matter if the cam pin is too long.

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Any ideas why I can't remove the intake lifter from cylinder # 2?

It's jammed in it's bore....the exhaust lifter for # 2 is the one that came through the block and broke a hardened pushrod in half.

Cam spins freely, so it's not locked up.

There is probably a crack in that lifter bore causing the lifter to be seized in there.

[getarz4u15ster]

To the OP.. Woah... looks you had a case of me... only at higher RPM.. ( i was sitting at idle). "DID NO ONE READ MY POSTS ABOUT NOT BUYING A SINGLE BOLT CAM!!!!" I was the "the other guy" someone posted pics of an my cam pin that broke off) What happens on single bolt camshafts (or at least in my case) was when the pin broke the cam spun 90 somthing degrees advance.. soo on our cars the rotating assembly turns clockwise, which happens to be also righty tighty.. welllllll.... when the cam spun after the pin broke the bolt tightened up on the cam again causing the cam to rotate out of sync with the crank.. we all know what happens next (interference) with everything.. Lifters, Pushrods, Pistons, Valves, Cam lobes, you name it's toast.. you get the point.. i'm guessing the reason your lifter is stuck in the lifter bore is is because the one of the cam lobes smacked the side of the lifter at the same time your piston hit the valve causing the lifter roller assembly to get lodged in the bore...

So hugger... here's the good news.. you get to build it bigger and better than before.. here's the bad news... it's gonna cost some money !!! If your cam gear looks like mine you need to call comp and demand they replace the Cam with a "Cam of your choosing", 3 bolt this time. I talked to "red" from the warranty department (he is the warranty manager at comp).

I'm sorry this happened to you... I know that sickening feeling you have in your gut when this stuff happens.. if you have any questions... anyone let'em fly..

[Ajaxx]

Thats why I went with a three bolt.....

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by getarz4u15ster

To the OP.. Woah... looks you had a case of me... only at higher RPM.. ( i was sitting at idle). "DID NO ONE READ MY POSTS ABOUT NOT BUYING A SINGLE BOLT CAM!!!!" I was the "the other guy" someone posted pics of an my cam pin that broke off) What happens on single bolt camshafts (or at least in my case) was when the pin broke the cam spun 90 somthing degrees advance.. soo on our cars the rotating assembly turns clockwise, which happens to be also righty tighty.. welllllll.... when the cam spun after the pin broke the bolt tightened up on the cam again causing the cam to rotate out of sync with the crank.. we all know what happens next (interference) with everything.. Lifters, Pushrods, Pistons, Valves, Cam lobes, you name it's toast.. you get the point.. i'm guessing the reason your lifter is stuck in the lifter bore is is because the one of the cam lobes smacked the side of the lifter at the same time your piston hit the valve causing the lifter roller assembly to get lodged in the bore... do you have the heads off?

So hugger... here's the good news.. you get to build it bigger and better than before.. here's the bad news... it's gonna cost some money !!! If your cam gear looks like mine you need to call comp and demand they replace the Cam with a "Cam of your choosing", 3 bolt this time. I talked to "red" from the warranty department (he is the warranty manager at comp).

I'm sorry this happened to you... I know that sickening feeling you have in your gut when this stuff happens.. if you have any questions... anyone let'em fly..

Do you still have the cam card, there is the possibility that comp had a run of bad cams and the card may help find that problem.

Here is hugger's card.
Comp Cams Part # 146-428-11 SN# VJ1700-10
Engine: Camshaft, GM LS Single bolt XR281HR13

[getarz4u15ster]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

Do you still have the cam card, there is the possibility that comp had a run of bad cams and the card may help find that problem.

Here is hugger's card.
Comp Cams Part # 146-428-11 SN# VJ1700-10
Engine: Camshaft, GM LS Single bolt XR281HR13

I have the card somewhere i'm going to have to dig it up. I looked up the grind number you gave me, it has different spec on it.. however that doesn't mean it wasn't part of a bad batch that comp made of single bolt cams. Here's the scoop i got from my speed shop (Maryland Performance). The owner has been doing business with comp for a while, and they will NOT admit to the general public that they had a issue with a batch of cams, however they did admit to him that they have seen some issues with single bolt cams in with this type of failure are narrowing it down to single bolt grinds between certain dates.. Still there is no way tell which ones are bad, and which ones aren't... till this happens..

Problem is, these pins are not made to withstand the 500hp where demanding from them, a lot of machinist are putting a second dowl in the cam's just to be sure this doesn't happen even on three bolt cams.. Cheap insurance to keep from having this type of failure..

Here's my Cam card btw..
http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/c...csid=1427&sb=0