Maggie of Whipple?

[newmoon]

Almost ready to get serious on modifications to my LS3. I am trying to decide on the Maggie or Whipple (Tuner Kits) only, I'd most likely add in LTs and HF Cats and dyno tune. Target HP is 550 rwhp / tq. It looks to be almost a $1,000.00 more for the Whipple so that is a concern.

What I want to know is given the very hard time it can be to hook up the tires at lower rpms with the LS3 which supercharger would make it easier to get down the track with while not blowing off the tires (best for higher rpms)? I don't envision me ever going to forged internals where I would need more than 600 rwhp in the future.

Which of these superchargers would be easier on the motor, I keep reading about the lower IATs of the whipple?

Is a BAP a must for my target hp levels?

Would anyone happen to know if the New Era OTR Intake will work with either of the above?

[stanwilliams]

Maggie will make more low rpm power. Whipple will make more high rpm power and do it with less intake air heat. Whipple kit comes with 60 (65) lb injectors and a Boost a pump. I tried my whipple out just a little w/o the boost a pump and it does need one. Fuel pressure would fall w/o it and inj duty cycles would go up.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Almost ready to get serious on modifications to my LS3. I am trying to decide on the Maggie or Whipple (Tuner Kits) only, I'd most likely add in LTs and HF Cats and dyno tune. Target HP is 550 rwhp / tq. It looks to be almost a $1,000.00 more for the Whipple so that is a concern.

What I want to know is given the very hard time it can be to hook up the tires at lower rpms with the LS3 which supercharger would make it easier to get down the track with while not blowing off the tires (best for higher rpms)? I don't envision me ever going to forged internals where I would need more than 600 rwhp in the future.

Which of these superchargers would be easier on the motor, I keep reading about the lower IATs of the whipple?

Is a BAP a must for my target hp levels?

Would anyone happen to know if the New Era OTR Intake will work with either of the above?

The Magnacharger is in our 560 RWHP Street Brawler package which has everything you want and more.

It is a Perfect fit for your goal and still has room to Grow.

We selected this Supercharger because of it's Perfect fit for the LS3/L99 Factory like fit and finish, good looks, ease of installation and consistent performance.

Let me know if I can put together a Package price for you.

I also include full tuning support with all of my products.

The OTR will not work with the Maggie.

The MSD voltage booster is Recommended and is part of our Street Brawler package.

Ted.

[sixty4]

Ted, Thinking of doing the Maggie and CAI and one of your tunes. Any issues with doing this type of work with our CT Emmisions? I want to make the better part of my power in the lower rpm's (never going to track the car). Trying to find a good combo that would work for me, but this is what I am after. What do you think? I would have your shop do the work! I am down in Stamford CT. Thanks Mark....

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by sixty4

Ted, Thinking of doing the Maggie and CAI and one of your tunes. Any issues with doing this type of work with our CT Emmisions? I want to make the better part of my power in the lower rpm's (never going to track the car). Trying to find a good combo that would work for me, but this is what I am after. What do you think? I would have your shop do the work! I am down in Stamford CT. Thanks Mark....

Mark, No problems in CT with emissions. The maggie would be exactly what you need. It will drive better than stock with Ted's package. I'm 10 miutes from Ted if you want to drive my car and see how it goes. The power comes on in the same manner.....just that I have much much more!

[GMRULZ]

Depends on the amount of boost as far as how hard it is on the motor, more than which blower. So a Maggie and a whipplw will at the same boost level will most likely stress the engine the same. The maggie will do 500 w/ ease, the whipple w/ the extram mods in your list w/ an LS3 will put you at 600rwhp. The Whipple is easy to launch and pulls hard to redline and wants to go higher. The Maggie might require a little better tire at the same power level. The Whipple has better IAt`s and will be more consistent as a result. Both will turn very close to the same times et wise. Maggie`s cheaper. In the end you are going to be way happy w/ either one.

[old motorhead]

You won't go far wrong either way. The Maggie will make your car feel lighter on the street. It will get into boost quicker and easier. Both of my TVS2300's will get some pretty serious boost at half throttle any time I want it. Makes a heavy truck feel a couple thousand pounds ligher. Makes a 3100 lb vette feel....well, you get the idea. The smaller blower, spinning faster, will be more responsive.

There's a little known technique that can be used if the Maggie overpowers your rear rubber. You just don't press the right pedal down quite as far. With practice, you can get pretty good at knowing how aggressive you can be.

[newmoon]

Thanks everyone for chiming in. The way I read this is the Maggie will hit harder in the lower rpms and the Whipple pull harder in the higher rpms correct which is what I thought.

If this is the case would it be safe to assume that in theory the Whipple should be a bit easier to launch with and possibly a bit easier on rearend components? Or would walking the throttle out a bit with the Maggie accomplissh the same? The reason I ask this and am stuck on this matter is in the past I had a very strong quarter mile car, ran 10:30s and that car would launch perfect, not an incredible hard hit at the onset but a smooth hard pull to the top of the powerband.

I am getting a little conflicting view in regards to BAP for the Maggie, the shop that would more than likely be doing the install and tune suggest that it is not required for the Maggie kit at base levels which I imagine must be in the 550hp range for a LS3. . I haven't inquired about the Whipple yet.

[old motorhead]

Neither will make 550 at the wheels safely without fuel pump upgrades. If you go lean, it's a receipe for a new motor. Too much low end power can be modulated. Not enough....well, it's just not enough. The Maggie won't die on the top end as some would have you believe. 8psi at 6000 rpm is pretty much 8psi no matter the source. Do you want 8psi from 2000 on up or 8psi from 4000 on up. At the track, you're at 4000+ almost instantly. On the street, it's another story.

[Caliman93230]

The Magie has low end torq but heats up if your runing more boost you have to spend money on LT's and cam to get at the same hp as the whipple, so if you want a street s/c car then e force is good on torque but sucks on temps also they have fuel delivery issues, you can get a twin pump and make close 700rwhp with the whipple and have enough torq to roast your tiers

[PQ]

LOVE the low end torque with my Maggie, but I really wanted a Whipple. I'd have bought the Whipple if I didn't get my Maggie for 3500.00 .

[GMRULZ]

Definetly run the BAP on either blower. The Whipple comes w/ it and needs it, the Maggie really should have it for safety reasons.

The Maggie doesn`t die at high rpm`s it just doesn`t pull quite as hard as the Whipple up top. The Maggie is a smaller blower and will make power lower, matter of fact run the 1.9 and it will be best at making power down low in the rpm`s right off idle. But as Oldmotorhead said you can modulate power w/ the right pedal. Personally, for the track I think the Whipple is the way to go. For the Street probably the Maggie. Both will be very close to each other though imo.

[tkrupinski]

Alot of people are saying that the Maggie has high iat's. I have been logging my temps on the street and my temps are 30 to 45deg cooler than on the dyno. 3.4 pulley 8.5psi. Yesterday it was high 80's low 90's and made a few runs and never got over 105.
What is the whipple iat on the street,im curious.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by tkrupinski

Alot of people are saying that the Maggie has high iat's. I have been logging my temps on the street and my temps are 30 to 45deg cooler than on the dyno. 3.4 pulley 8.5psi. Yesterday it was high 80's low 90's and made a few runs and never got over 105.
What is the whipple iat on the street,im curious.

On the street, at low boost, the Maggie is fine but when you push it.....forget about it. The iat's go through the roof!! I had temps over 90 degrees celcius at the end of a pass.