Who thinks this is unacceptable??

[Angrybird 12]

As I recall Fbodfather (and my contact from GM on the Sky Forum) told us in the production has started thread that after the first 400 or so are built they will all be gone over with a fine tooth comb to discover any production concerns. BEFORE they will be released for full production. This is the way it is done on the start of all new GM cars. It is exactly what they did with the first 400, 2007 Skys that were built... Believe me this will NOT go unnoticed by the GM brass and engineers. You that are complaining are Jumping the Gun on this one.. Calm down and wait till we start seeing cars that ARE arriving at the dealerships...
Then feel free to blast away.....

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

My dealership isn't the topic of this thread, but thanks for bringing it in -

I have to add this in too as you deserve it. I wish every single car salesman was as concerned and helpful as you are.

[Mosher]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I hesitate to post as someone will just use it as fuel for a non-fire or use it to keep a non-fire burning.

First, understand that you are picking on the hardest part of the interior to get right.

Second, this car WAS NOT SHIPPED. I wasn't there, but I doubt very much Rick got in his car and drove it home. There are additional hurdles the Camaro must pass before one single car gets shipped.

Third, with all of the cameras and people hovering around the car, I am pretty sure that they avoided any chance to take the car off line to repair this, which your cars would be.

Fourth, none of the CTF cars have been built with the acrylic panels on the door and IP. So in order to get that right you are probably judging by the very first production car with ABL on the IP and Door Trim.

And last, this is another case of you guys have been allowed to know more than any other car and it's launch. So now you are taking that intimate knowledge and doing this??????????????? Come on now. Just stop.

And yes I agree FROM THE PICTURES this is probably out of specification.

So if you get your car and you don't like it - POST AWAY. But not this car, it was way out of process to have the owner walk the line with 100 fans and their cameras.

Everyone who is wondering if every car will be this way, please read this again.

+1trillion!

It sucks to think that... we are probably never going to get insights into a car again the way we have this one. If no one had filmed this, if no one was there, that car would of likely rolled off the line with no issues since it would of gone through a normal amount of QC and probably without as much fuss.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by GrnMchin

Superman this is the third thread about interior and the only one with a logit concern IMO. If you don't like the interior then cool, it's not for you give your reasons and some positive suggestions and who knows it could effect change. But to say it's crap and leave it at that just bugs me. Thats all.

Show me where I said the interior was crap in this thread? I love the interior.. yes I was critical about ABL not being on the dash, however most of us were.. In this case I am hoping GM fixes this issue so the dealer doesn't have to order two new door panels to fix the problem.. If anything, I have high hopes GM will figure out a way to solve this after inspecting the first 400 cars built as number 3 has just mentioned and we all just heard for the first time that occurs.. However remember that this issue was brought up months ago and still got thru on the first car that was built on the line..

[GrnMchin]

^ Superman wasn't directed at you bro. Just people who need to give a little more positive feed back.

Thanks for sucking me back in I will return got to go. The gym awaits.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Supermans

This has been the most informative post so far, Thanks Hylton..And it sheds some light as to why this problem is going to be difficult to get right if the panels are the issue.. And personally, I do not want to have the dealer pulling off both panels when it arrives or having it sit at the dealer because they have to order these panels since I do not want the panels to be rattling in a few years pre-maturely. This is the same reason I am ordering the Boston acoustics..I do not want to have to remove the door panels to install new speakers to avoid rattling issues as well... I might as well not order the Boston Acoustics since there may be a good chance this will fall on the hands of the dealer after the fact.. I hope I am wrong and a change in the building in order to get this right the first time is implemented in the building process..

I believe most parts are designed to be able to come off to be serviced. I know when I was at the dealer that our techs' would replace any and all fasteners that were involved with removing panels so there wouldn't be rattles in the future - that, I believe, is one of the reasons trim panels have servicable clips/retainers. I HATE rattles and creaks!!! I don't blame anyone for not wanting to have the panels removed and reinstalled, but this is how things work, and that's why they're designed the way they are (IMHO).

The bottom line is it looks like no one who built THAT car has posted here, therefore anything is speculation. Yes - it should be fixed or adjusted (or replaced...). However, it sounds like people that work there know of the problem and are looking for it. I'm all for letting GM know what our opinions and observations are (hey - look at my sig'!!!) so that's why I'm not discouraging input; there needs to be constructive criticism; not just complaining, and I think that's where we are with this thread. I'm only asking everyone to try to keep things in perspective and remain respectful.

[marcgo2]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

As I recall Fbodfather (and my contact from GM on the Sky Forum) told us in the production has started thread that after the first 400 or so are built they will all be gone over with a fine tooth comb to discover any production concerns. BEFORE they will be released for full production. This is the way it is done on the start of all new GM cars. It is exactly what they did with the first 400, 2007 Skys that were built... Believe me this will NOT go unnoticed by the GM brass and engineers. You that are complaining are Jumping the Gun on this one.. Calm down and wait till we start seeing cars that ARE arriving at the dealerships...
Then feel free to blast away.....

This is an excellent point, but why wouldn't they go over #1 with a fine tooth comb. Especially, since it's being presented to high profile person at a high profile event. If they finished 150 on the first day it doesn't seem like they were rushed too much.

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I hesitate to post as someone will just use it as fuel for a non-fire or use it to keep a non-fire burning.

First, understand that you are picking on the hardest part of the interior to get right.

Second, this car WAS NOT SHIPPED. I wasn't there, but I doubt very much Rick got in his car and drove it home. There are additional hurdles the Camaro must pass before one single car gets shipped.

Third, with all of the cameras and people hovering around the car, I am pretty sure that they avoided any chance to take the car off line to repair this, which your cars would be.

Fourth, none of the CTF cars have been built with the acrylic panels on the door and IP. So in order to get that right you are probably judging by the very first production car with ABL on the IP and Door Trim.

And last, this is another case of you guys have been allowed to know more than any other car and it's launch. So now you are taking that intimate knowledge and doing this??????????????? Come on now. Just stop.

And yes I agree FROM THE PICTURES this is probably out of specification.

So if you get your car and you don't like it - POST AWAY. But not this car, it was way out of process to have the owner walk the line with 100 fans and their cameras.

As an English guy would say....

THANK YOU SO BLOODY MUCH!!!!

[80Zedder]

Can't we all just get along and have a good laugh? All will be well when they released from the factory, they havent gone anywhere yet.

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[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Hylton

Intimate knowledge? This is THE FIRST REGULAR PRODUCTION CAR! What is so intimate about that? This problem was identified in the past and we were told that it would be addressed before production. Don't be telling me that things like this should be addressed by the dealer. Just state that it is unacceptable and will be fixed shortly and be done with it instead of blaming "100 fans with their cameras". Or - state that it is normal and dealers should fix it so people can go off and ask Honda and Toyota dealers how many times they have to adjust the door panels.

We are here to make sure that the product you put out is outstanding. We want GM to build the best product out there. We are GM's biggest fans and we know what others are going to say or think. THIS SITE IS FINAL QC FOR THIS CAR AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE. I suggest anyone responsible for and/or working on this car remember that.

What is so intimate about it is that generally, a bunch of car fanatics don't have an opportunity to take pictures of a car right after it comes off the line. Am I happy with the fit? Of course not. But we will soon find out (from pictures taken of Ricks car at one of his dealerships) if we would ever have known about this issue if we hadn't been there to take pictures of it.

At any rate, you know as well as I do (because we were told by the same guy at the same time) that a car that rolls off the assembly line is not 'done' , it still has to be run through tests and inspected. 80Zedder just said that quality control did not check the car.

Originally Posted by marcgo2

Poor quality control is one thing that has hurt the American car industry image.

Yes it has, and there is more being done to ensure quality on the Camaro than on the Impala, which is highly regarded by JD Power for its build quality.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I believe most parts are designed to be able to come off to be serviced. I know when I was at the dealer that our techs' would replace any and all fasteners that were involved with removing panels so there wouldn't be rattles in the future - that, I believe, is one of the reasons trim panels have servicable clips/retainers. I HATE rattles and creaks!!! I don't blame anyone for not wanting to have the panels removed and reinstalled, but this is how things work, and that's why they're designed the way they are (IMHO).

The bottom line is it looks like no one who built THAT car has posted here, therefore anything is speculation. Yes - it should be fixed or adjusted (or replaced...). However, it sounds like people that work there know of the problem and are looking for it. I'm all for letting GM know what our opinions and observations are (hey - look at my sig'!!!) so that's why I'm not discouraging input; there needs to be constructive criticism; not just complaining, and I think that's where we are with this thread. I'm only asking everyone to try to keep things in perspective and remain respectful.

Show me where I am complaining and I will stop. All my posts have been about pointing out all angles of the problem and on top of that reporting on posts that have been insightful as to why the problem is there, how it will be addressed etc... You should be directing your posts at those who are saying we should all stop talking about this issue for one reason or another..

[bobby35ny]

I wonder.....is this because of the Cadence problems?

-bobby

[truth411]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

As I recall Fbodfather (and my contact from GM on the Sky Forum) told us in the production has started thread that after the first 400 or so are built they will all be gone over with a fine tooth comb to discover any production concerns. BEFORE they will be released for full production. This is the way it is done on the start of all new GM cars. It is exactly what they did with the first 400, 2007 Skys that were built... Believe me this will NOT go unnoticed by the GM brass and engineers. You that are complaining are Jumping the Gun on this one.. Calm down and wait till we start seeing cars that ARE arriving at the dealerships...
Then feel free to blast away.....

What else needs to be said, there are too many unknowns. Yes we can have a discussion, but some have crossed the line and are just adding fuel to the fire. I say wait and see the cars that are at the dealership before declaring the end of the world, is that not RATIONAL.

[ArcAngel]

Supermans once again I agree!!!