It just dawned on me...(ZL1 vs Vette)

[anthonyj9h]

i think alot of ppl are not factoring in that the z06 redlines at 7000 and is all n/a power....f/i is great but it doesnt beat n/a. i think the lsa redlines at 6200. depending on where it reaches max power, max torque, gearing, how the car transfers weight, traction, there are alot of variable that go into it and with new advancements in gm engineering should be interesting where they go with it

[radz28]

Originally Posted by anthonyj9h

i think alot of ppl are not factoring in that the z06 redlines at 7000 and is all n/a power....f/i is great but it doesnt beat n/a. i think the lsa redlines at 6200. depending on where it reaches max power, max torque, gearing, how the car transfers weight, traction, there are alot of variable that go into it and with new advancements in gm engineering should be interesting where they go with it

LSA reaches peak power near redline in CTS-V is I remember correctly.

[Bolt-onC6]

Originally Posted by anthonyj9h

i think alot of ppl are not factoring in that the z06 redlines at 7000 and is all n/a power....f/i is great but it doesnt beat n/a. i think the lsa redlines at 6200. depending on where it reaches max power, max torque, gearing, how the car transfers weight, traction, there are alot of variable that go into it and with new advancements in gm engineering should be interesting where they go with it

2011 Z06 makes peak power (505) at 6300 rpm, peak torque 4800, weighs 3175#

http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-corvette-z06.html

2011 CTS-V make peak power (556) at 6100 rpm, peak torque 3800.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-cts-v.html 4222#

I'm sure some take their Z06s up to 7000 but normally you get best 1/4 mile results shifting 200-400 above peak power. If your rpm extension drops below peak torque then it might be advantageous to shift higher.

Not sure what the ZL1 will weigh but assuming it has the same power as the CTS-V then it would have to weigh 3496# to equal the acceleration of the Z06 assuming all variables are the same. Traction, gearing, drag coefficient....

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Bolt-onC6

2011 Z06 makes peak power (505) at 6300 rpm, peak torque 4800, weighs 3175#

http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-corvette-z06.html

2011 CTS-V make peak power (556) at 6100 rpm, peak torque 3800.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-cts-v.html 4222#

I'm sure some take their Z06s up to 7000 but normally you get best 1/4 mile results shifting 200-400 above peak power. If your rpm extension drops below peak torque then it might be advantageous to shift higher.

Not sure what the ZL1 will weigh but assuming it has the same power as the CTS-V then it would have to weigh 3496# to equal the acceleration of the Z06 assuming all variables are the same. Traction, gearing, drag coefficient....

It's looking like we'll be getting close to 570 and I figure it'll be close to 4100 pounds, so if we use your math, it's not looking too terribly close... ZL1 will have a more aggressive rear gear but it is looking like it will share similar tranny gearing. It's certainly not enough to make up for the weight. Does Z06 have PTM? I'm not sure it's better than a great driver, however, it might help even the odds. Also, if the slushbox CTS-V is any indication, that might stand a better change in acceleration tests than a stick ZL1. I still don't know if that's enough to overcome the mass...

[anthonyj9h]

by the looks of things the lsa is a better motor...the ls7 has it beat in torque at first but the lsa has the horsepower advantage the whole time

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by c_LoW29

Chevrolet will not make something that will beat its flagship Corvettes for a cheaper price not happening

True.

[anthonyj9h]

hmmmmmmmm giving me the idea of a lsa corvette in a z06

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

you never replied to my comment

if you ever need proof of a "stock" Z06s capabilities hit me up

I didn't understand the context, so I kind of...let it go.

Also, to be clear, I don't think I represented my thoughts clearly...by "close", I didn't mean, within milliseconds/it's a driver's race close. I just meant close. As in, faster than a GS but slower than a Z06, for example.

I don't believe for a second the ZL1 can outrun or tail a Z06 on any course. But I do believe the Z06 will still be in sight....

[Bolt-onC6]

Originally Posted by radz28

It's looking like we'll be getting close to 570 and I figure it'll be close to 4100 pounds, so if we use your math, it's not looking too terribly close... ZL1 will have a more aggressive rear gear but it is looking like it will share similar tranny gearing. It's certainly not enough to make up for the weight. Does Z06 have PTM? I'm not sure it's better than a great driver, however, it might help even the odds. Also, if the slushbox CTS-V is any indication, that might stand a better change in acceleration tests than a stick ZL1. I still don't know if that's enough to overcome the mass...

570 hp and 4100# is only 2% better than the LS3. 436 hp and right at 3200#. Any LS3 Corvete with just a free flowing intake will best a stock ZL1.

[anthonyj9h]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I didn't understand the context, so I kind of...let it go.

Also, to be clear, I don't think I represented my thoughts clearly...by "close", I didn't mean, within milliseconds/it's a driver's race close. I just meant close. As in, faster than a GS but slower than a Z06, for example.

I don't believe for a second the ZL1 can outrun or tail a Z06 on any course. But I do believe the Z06 will still be in sight....

hmmmm ok it just dawned on me on lap times.....the latest z06 with z07 package did a 7:22......the cts-v did a 7:59......i dunno but not much to see but trees with that much gap in lap times lol

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Bolt-onC6

570 hp and 4100# is only 2% better than the LS3. 436 hp and right at 3200#. Any LS3 Corvete with just a free flowing intake will best a stock ZL1.

True. But, I don't know if that's going to happen that way. I hope it makes more power and I hope it doesn't come in that much, so I prefer to be conservative. Again - I'm not sold on ZL1 being as fast or faster than Z06, but I think there's a chance, given the right track. If it can make better use of any additional power it may have, I think it will stand a better chance at at least staying relatively close to one. I've also only said I'm talking about a non-Z07 (or Carbon) car. In addition, there are chassis improvements GM said they made on '12 ZR1, which I'm sure trickled down to that new Z06, too. That 7:22 represents what I believe are the latest chassis tricks, and7there's no way in H3LL I think ZL1 would break a 7:40 'Ring time. I've never said that.

Originally Posted by anthonyj9h

hmmmm ok it just dawned on me on lap times.....the latest z06 with z07 package did a 7:22......the cts-v did a 7:59......i dunno but not much to see but trees with that much gap in lap times lol

Like I said above, I believe simialr ZR1 chassis tweaks probably also trickle down into Z06 (Z07 or Carbon packages). Even if ZL1 were to get Cup tires, I don't think it would get too far into the 7:30s at the 'Ring. I'm not sure about other tracks - I'm no expert about the 'Ring, I'm just more familiar with that one than others.

[anthonyj9h]

i think the Ring you get a faster average speed than you would at other tracks....the so called gt2 that "claimed" a 7:18 was average at 100 mph so im guessing if you average speed is around there you could estimate....and the z06 before was 7:42 so 7:52 is where i see the zl1........lol right around lambo 560 time......nice

[radz28]

Originally Posted by anthonyj9h

i think the Ring you get a faster average speed than you would at other tracks....the so called gt2 that "claimed" a 7:18 was average at 100 mph so im guessing if you average speed is around there you could estimate....and the z06 before was 7:42 so 7:52 is where i see the zl1........lol right around lambo 560 time......nice

Excellent points. I was thinking something along those lines. Around a short track, with a lot of turns, I think it would be darn-near-impossible to hang with a "standard" Z'oh. However, a track like the 'Ring, would allow for more use of the power in ZL1 to make up for a little loss in the corners; maybe not all of the loss, but enough to keep it close. I'd thought bottom 7:50s, if I remember correctly, for a while now. I don't know much about how the F1:G2s perform. They look like a mix between a GSD3 and older F1, to me, and if they stick like I know GSD3s do, then I think that's going to be a great tire. I think that's what limited standard Z'ohs in the past more than anything, so if ZL1 gets a serious tire (I was preferring the PS2s...), comparing it to a F1-shod Z'oh would be pretty close. I get giddy at the thought of GM adding a Track Pack a little later down the road for ZL1 with the Cups that ZR1 and Z06 are now wearing Throw in a little more aggressive chassis tuning, maybe drop a little weight, a little bigger brakes and touch more power and that would be a killer way to send off the 5th Gen! I'm sorry - I got ahead of myself there... I daydream about this car a lot, LOL!!!

And another great point about the Lambo' time. If anyone complains about the performance of any car that get close to, or even surpasses a Lambo', they need to have their clock cleaned or something. A car like this performing better than a supercar is quite an achievement.

[anthonyj9h]

engineering has come a long way.......ppl dont realize how much this is so finely tuned to every aspect down to what tire to use.