EDMUNDS shootout: Camaro vs. Mustang vs. Challenger!!!

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

So for 3 years we've heard that the Camaro will destroy the Mustang in the twisties and now that it's not the case,the excuses start. It's a proud day for Ford when the Camaro message boards start making excuses for their car vs the lowly Mustang GT.

No, you just have no modify the arguement a little, and everything will be back on track; "The Camaro will destroy the Mustang in the twisties. As long as they compete on an uneven or less-than-smooth driving surface and the Mustang in question did not select the track pack option."

Ahhh...all is right in the world again.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

No, you just have no modify the arguement a little, and everything will be back on track; "The Camaro will destroy the Mustang in the twisties. As long as they compete on an uneven or less-than-smooth driving surface."

Ahhh...all is right in the world again.

fixed it for you.

"The Camaro will destroy the Mustang without a track pack in the twisties on a warm day with stock tires. As long as they compete on an uneven or less-than-smooth driving surface. and no slalom or figure eight"

[radz28]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

No, you just have no modify the arguement a little, and everything will be back on track; "The Camaro will destroy the Mustang in the twisties. As long as they compete on an uneven or less-than-smooth driving surface and the Mustang in question did not select the track pack option."

Ahhh...all is right in the world again.

I think you and 'Spike are related, LOL

Originally Posted by fdjizm

fixed it for you.

"The Camaro will destroy the Mustang without a track pack in the twisties on a warm day with stock tires. As long as they compete on an uneven or less-than-smooth driving surface. and no slalom or figure eight"

Way to be a smarty-pants. Is a response like this necessary, or is your goal to just be argumentative? I'd be interested in an honest answer.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I think you and 'Spike are related, LOL



Way to be a smarty-pants. Is a response like this necessary, or is your goal to just be argumentative? I'd be interested in an honest answer.

my goal is to provide real facts wherever they are needed thats all. i like to rebutt the generic answers and false statements, i would never call anyone names like they have done to me of course.

[hardestgainer]

Originally Posted by Cyberfan

Yeah the R/T has more weight and less horsepower than the SS. The overpriced SRT-8 has more weight and equivalent horsepower. But the GT-500s have over 500 horsepower and are very expensive- coupes sticker starting in the mid-40s and last time I heard dealers were still marking them up. So the GT-500 should perform the best of those 3. The Mustang GT has a horsepower deficiency but is priced closer to the other ones in the test.

But I agree with others that the cars they compared are not similar enough and that comparison doesn't mean much to me.

The GT500 going rate is 40k(still more than an SS) and yes it would perform the best. at 40 its a pretty good buy, and the new 2010s are going to be breaking into the 11's 1/4 with a good ddriver.

Originally Posted by Icewinds

Best time recorded by a turbocharged, race-tuned Cobalt on Nurburgring is a whooping 8:22.

A green engined, stock Camaro SS did 8:20 a few days ago.

I guess it all depends on what you call "just fine." 8:22 is awesome for a FWD, but its nowhere near the standard for a true performance car.

The new cobalt SS is IMO a very good bang for buck performance wise. I want to hopefully atleast test one out someday.

Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

Indeed and I don't anyone would by a barebones car. Lets be realistic everyone wants best of the best when they go buy a car. (best in its class). I wouldn't get a bare bones camaro i would just feel like the wait was for settling for lesss.

for a lot of people though they want it that way. Buying one barebones = less weight and more money for mods.

Originally Posted by fad1

to be honest, now im longing for a SRT vs. SS. Just want to see that shootout.

The SS im pretty sure would win, I think they'd have to include the GT500 in it too though so they could have "the big three"

That would be sweet

[radz28]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

my goal is to provide real facts wherever they are needed thats all. i like to rebutt the generic answers and false statements, i would never call anyone names like they have done to me of course.

Thank you for setting me straight

[Craig]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

my goal is to provide real facts wherever they are needed thats all. i like to rebutt the generic answers and false statements, i would never call anyone names like they have done to me of course.

You bear the cross well

[Italianwhiplash]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

I used a G-TECH to measure 0 to 60, I dont have the computer in my car.

thats the computer.....

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

thats the computer.....

I think he was referring to the EVIC computer that comes with the tech package for the chally, which is very accurate

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

I think he was referring to the EVIC computer that comes with the tech package for the chally, which is very accurate

Really? Last I heard it liked to report slightly better times than professional equipment would.

[MrIcky]

Fanboys...lol.


Anyhow, how great is it that we have 3 American made cars that are worthy of attention:

The Challenger R/T for being a great cruiser and wonderful for eating up the miles on long trips with a comfortable big-car feel.

The Mustang GT/track pack which can turn in some damn impressive track performance at a reasonable price.

And the Camaro SS which is an excellent modern interpretation of the sport coupe.

Instead of whipping out a ruler and your epeens, you should be having a beer celebrating that America finally remembered how to do what made it great.

On an ACTUAL twisty ROAD (not a race track), I think many of you are overestimating the difference that any single bit of technology (like an SRA vs IRS) may have. Unless you get off on going fast enough for a reckless endangerment midemeanor with ensuing public service, you simply aren't going to dance away from these other cars on any road. I own a newer Cobalt SS and that car will go fast enough to make you pucker HARD. Any car on this list will go fast enough to scare the bejebus out of you.

Really you should be congratulating all the car lovers out there who have bought cars that are more than just appliances. I love and respect just about every car that is more than an efficiency equation.

Now if you actually do race on road courses, your conversation is no longer academic and I salute you.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Fanboys...lol.


Anyhow, how great is it that we have 3 American made cars that are worthy of attention:

The Challenger R/T for being a great cruiser and wonderful for eating up the miles on long trips with a comfortable big-car feel.

The Mustang GT/track pack which can turn in some damn impressive track performance at a reasonable price.

And the Camaro SS which is an excellent modern interpretation of the sport coupe.

Instead of whipping out a ruler and your epeens, you should be having a beer celebrating that America finally remembered how to do what made it great.

On an ACTUAL twisty ROAD (not a race track), I think many of you are overestimating the difference that any single bit of technology (like an SRA vs IRS) may have. Unless you get off on going fast enough for a reckless endangerment midemeanor with ensuing public service, you simply aren't going to dance away from these other cars on any road. I own a newer Cobalt SS and that car will go fast enough to make you pucker HARD. Any car on this list will go fast enough to scare the bejebus out of you.

Really you should be congratulating all the car lovers out there who have bought cars that are more than just appliances. I love and respect just about every car that is more than an efficiency equation.

Now if you actually do race on road courses, your conversation is no longer academic and I salute you.

And I was just thinking of something else...The G-force measurements....does anybody realize how miniscule a difference .01-.02 G's is? That' 1-2% the force of gravity...sideways. Or 1-2% of your body weight...sideways. For most people, that's about 2-4lbs. So....essentially, when we're bickering about handling and who's better -- and we start throwing around the lat. G numbers (me, too. :(). We're bickering over 2-4 lbs of force...when the total is something like 180 lbs in either car.

[Rock36]

times two

I've played with G-Force timers myself and even taking a corner in the 0.7g range can be a bit unnerving, or at the very least requires much more than a passive attention to the road.

The average person probably will never corner much more than what I just mentioned, let alone push the extreme limits of grip at 0.9ish.

[MrIcky]

I was excited as can be to get a car with some impressive track numbers. Then I went on a nice mountain road to Sun Valley ID recently and I realized just how ballsy you'd have to be to wring out what one of these cars is capable of. It made me appreciate Miata's a little more. The lower limits would actually make it feel like you're hustling.