Rain + nannies off = ....

[blue-bayou]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

Not true! It appears you are assuming that once you start to hydro-plane, you won't stop hydroplaning..........

We would prove this to journalists with the C5 corvette - the best way to illustrate the C5's stabilitrak was to put the car on a figure 8 track - put pylons on the banked curbs - wet the track down - and then have the car slalom thru the cones - with and without stabilitrak.

Without it - 99 percent of the time the car would spin out spectacularly as the car came off of the curved bank into the crossover......

With it - it's almost like the hand of God reaching down to take control.

Oh Crap-I didn't notice who I responded to until after I posted. Mr. fbodfather, I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. You're comment is most definitely valid and I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't. I consider any and all of your posts to be without a doubt information that everyone needs to listen to (kinda like EFHutton (this is meant as a compliment)). My original post I guess was unclear-I do know you will stop hydroplaning eventually-either with good or bad results. I got a little irritated a while back about a guy that posted how he wrecked his car after hydroplaning and his stabilitrak supposedly never kicked in and then he wanted to blame it on GM. I guess now I am just venting.

Anyway I just want you to know that I love my car, I love Chevrolet (although I wish I wasn't forced to have so many amenities just get the opportunity to own and drive one of the most badasterik vehicles GM has ever produced) and I certainly hope that you don't take to heart all the complainers that don't know what a Camaro truly is even if it is or isn't what it used to be.

[Infern0]

You can be the best driver in the world and be paying attention, but why disable a computerized guardian angel for no reason when its sole purpose is to help protect what your hard earned money has paid for. After all as you said, you know it's raining, so, not like you're gonna race or anything like that. Just asking for trouble when a situation could be avoided altogether. With that logic, why wear a seat belt too other than to avoid a ticket? After all, you're not gonna wreck with those three rules and driving skill, right?

You never know what's going to happen and even as the best most attentive driver in the world you can't control others either. Imagine the guy above coming at you and completely losing control in the rain even though HE wasn't doing anything wrong either; just a bad road condition and then all of the sudden YOU have to react. A small swerve here or there in one direction to avoid then being exaggerated by the road conditions and you're in a wall; for no reason at all.

[KnightRiderSS]

I still don't understand why anyone would drive around with it off? What does having it off all the time cause you to gain?

I've turned on competitive mode to roast the tires but that's it or maybe if I was at a drag strip...

[Sterling]

I'm glad that they are there... I just think it's funny how afraid people are to turn them off. I keep mine on almost all the time, but had them off on a few occasions. I'm glad that you at least get a choice.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by blue-bayou

Oh Crap-I didn't notice who I responded to until after I posted. Mr. fbodfather, I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. You're comment is most definitely valid and I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't. I consider any and all of your posts to be without a doubt information that everyone needs to listen to (kinda like EFHutton (this is meant as a compliment)). My original post I guess was unclear-I do know you will stop hydroplaning eventually-either with good or bad results. I got a little irritated a while back about a guy that posted how he wrecked his car after hydroplaning and his stabilitrak supposedly never kicked in and then he wanted to blame it on GM. I guess now I am just venting.

Anyway I just want you to know that I love my car, I love Chevrolet (although I wish I wasn't forced to have so many amenities just get the opportunity to own and drive one of the most badasterik vehicles GM has ever produced) and I certainly hope that you don't take to heart all the complainers that don't know what a Camaro truly is even if it is or isn't what it used to be.

First - there is no need to apologize. I don't expect people to blindly listen to everything I say......

Now -that said:

>You indeed did have the hand of God save you - there will always be a veryveryveryveryvery (let me throw a couple more verys in there...) few examples of where someone was lucky to survive without a seatbelt...........but you really don't want to go there because the reality is that there is overwhelming evidence that seatbelts save far far far far (.....OK -- let me add a few more 'fars' here as well ) more lives than not. The simple fact (that can be backed up by reams of data) is that SEATBELTS SAVE LIVES!

>You are correct in that airbags can do damage - the solution? a five-point seatbelt - which I guarantee will get next to zero usage because it is so confining...... (It's part of how race car drivers survive such spectacular accidents......)

>Stabilitrak CAN get you out of a hydroplaning situation - and the reason I know this? I've done demonstrations of this situation for both salespeople and the press......trust me - stabilitrak can intervene with braking and engine controls to regain control of the vehicle.......


Here's the reason I'm so vehement about stabilitrak and seatbelts..............


...........I've lost too many friends and acquaintances who were not wearing seat belts or who didn't have stabilitrak OR HAD TURNED IT OFF!


One of the most tragic accidents happened at the Annual Fbody gathering in Atlanta several years ago - 4 people in a 4th gen SS - STREET RACING!!!

.....the two men in the back seat were not wearing seatbelts - and as the SS spun out of control and hit an overhead sign abutment, they were thrown thru the rear hatch and killed instantly............


.....................neither one of them were able to meet their unborn children being carried by their wives........and one of them had a daughter who was so young that she has no memory of her Daddy............


So - do I sound like a lunatic sometimes when I get crazy after someone posts and says that you should not wear a seatbelt or that you shoud drive around with Stabilitrak turned off?..........


YOU BET I DO..........


and I will never apologize for it .....because, you see, I CARE about what happens to each of you out there!!!!


Now - PAY ATTENTION TO FBODFATHER OR GIVE ME YOUR KEYS RIGHT NOW!!!!!

[KnightRiderSS]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

First - there is no need to apologize. I don't expect people to blindly listen to everything I say......

Now -that said:

>You indeed did have the hand of God save you - there will always be a veryveryveryveryvery (let me throw a couple more verys in there...) few examples of where someone was lucky to survive without a seatbelt...........but you really don't want to go there because the reality is that there is overwhelming evidence that seatbelts save far far far far (.....OK -- let me add a few more 'fars' here as well ) more lives than not. The simple fact (that can be backed up by reams of data) is that SEATBELTS SAVE LIVES!

>You are correct in that airbags can do damage - the solution? a five-point seatbelt - which I guarantee will get next to zero usage because it is so confining...... (It's part of how race car drivers survive such spectacular accidents......)

>Stabilitrak CAN get you out of a hydroplaning situation - and the reason I know this? I've done demonstrations of this situation for both salespeople and the press......trust me - stabilitrak can intervene with braking and engine controls to regain control of the vehicle.......


Here's the reason I'm so vehement about stabilitrak and seatbelts..............


...........I've lost too many friends and acquaintances who were not wearing seat belts or who didn't have stabilitrak OR HAD TURNED IT OFF!


One of the most tragic accidents happened at the Annual Fbody gathering in Atlanta several years ago - 4 people in a 4th gen SS - STREET RACING!!!

.....the two men in the back seat were not wearing seatbelts - and as the SS spun out of control and hit an overhead sign abutment, they were thrown thru the rear hatch and killed instantly............


.....................neither one of them were able to meet their unborn children being carried by their wives........and one of them had a daughter who was so young that she has no memory of her Daddy............


So - do I sound like a lunatic sometimes when I get crazy after someone posts and says that you should not wear a seatbelt or that you shoud drive around with Stabilitrak turned off?..........


YOU BET I DO..........


and I will never apologize for it .....because, you see, I CARE about what happens to each of you out there!!!!


Now - PAY ATTENTION TO FBODFATHER OR GIVE ME YOUR KEYS RIGHT NOW!!!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/09...stability.html

Hailed as the number one safety feature since the seat belt....

I'm not "afraid" to drive with it off (as I have a 1996 Blazer that doesn't have it)....I just don't understand why people do have it off if it's there? I have yet to see an argument to that I would consider logical for having it off while driving on a public road....sorta like people who purposely don't wear a seat belt...just doesn't make sense to me?

At any rate, the button is there to turn it off so I guess people will do it nonetheless...

[blue-bayou]

Mr. fbodfather
Well said- and I realize that my outlook on life and the way I see things are very different from others and by no means would I want to try to encourage others to subscribe to my philosophy of life. My outlook is based on years of life experiences that have confounded me to a point of not understanding "Why me", and "Why did I survive". By all means I would be the first to admit I am living on borrowed time.

I do want to clarify that I do NOT advocate people to ignore seatbelts or to disable stabilitrack but I do stress that people use their minds and know what they and their vehicle is capable of. To use another iliustration from my own life.. I drive FWD cars differently than RWD cars and I know I shouldn't, but I do. I was driving someone elses car I was unfamiliar with in the rain. I thought the car was FWD, so I was a little less cautious. I assumed I ran through a section of deeper water because the car unexpectedly started fish tailing. I regained control momentarily only to hit another spot in the road thus causing me to lose control again and crash into the center concrete wall of the interstate. Turns out the car was RWD and had I known that I never would have been driving 60+ in those conditions.
I would encourage others to use the features they have but not rely on them. Drive as if they didn't exist

This thread has really churned my stomach to the point I can't sleep at night. Memories that I would prefer to forget. I will bow out and hope that I have not been misunderstood.

I was young and stupid for a long time, but now I like to think that I'm a bit wiser. I definitely don't want my kids to learn the way I learned; unfortunately there will always be people who will only learn the hard way.