How much is reasonable now (base price), given the 'Ring times?

[EVoLGRiMM]

^^^ this exactly.

Goldenbear is a genius and speaks volumes of wisdom

Tip of the cap to you sir!

[lbls1]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

Does Chevrolet translate into 'cheap car'? I don't get this argument. If things stayed the same as they always were progress would never be made. GM is trying to make progress and improve, not go back into bankruptcy.

What are we talking here, $10,000? So if the ZL1 is $48,000 GM has created a success but if it is $58,000 it fails? Maybe it is just me but this all seems ridiculous.

I never said anything about "cheap" or even 48k vs. 58k. A car doesn't have to be "cheap" in quality in order to be "affordable." My point is about packaging and pricing a car within the known market of the car company. New Chevrolets rarely (some exceptions for dealer prepared versions) have been priced at the ranges of higher segment car companies such as Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes and some others.

The issue with GM's bankruptcy doesn't fall squarely on the amount of sales for their cars. A lot of root problems with the company led to the bankruptcy. However, drastically raising the prices (seriously wandering past the debate) of their cars certainly won't help them sell more units.

[Z4me]

[QUOTE=GoldenBear;3858378]Let's summarize what we know. Scott has indicated that the ZL1 will have very few options:

1. Color
2. Automatic transmission
3. Sunroof
4. Polished wheels
5. Ultra Suede Interior
6. Stripe delete

Have I missed any options?

I believe your spot on, I would add a couple perhaps.

An opitional front grill.
An opitional higher end music system.
Possible painted area's of the engine covers to match the color
of the exterior paint.
not saying its going to happen, I'm just thinking outside of the box.

[2012ZL1]

reasonable price range ...based on current information... 50 to 54k.

[Mr. Wyndham]

You know what? I could justify, in my mind, a base price of upper 50s given this car's sheer performance. Were is a European car - it would EASILY be more than 100,000 dollars....

That said...IF their goal is to sell it like a regular-type Camaro...it should be low 50s. (and my wallet agrees...)

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

That said...IF their goal is to sell it like a regular-type Camaro...it should be low 50s. (and my wallet agrees...)

And therein lies the truth of it. GM is not looking to sell the ZL1 like a regular Camaro, because it's NOT a regular Camaro!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by tooslow

And therein lies the truth of it. GM is not looking to sell the ZL1 like a regular Camaro, because it's NOT a regular Camaro!

Agreed. Let's just hope their intentions aren't at the far end of the spectrum...

[EVoLGRiMM]

Originally Posted by tooslow

because it's NOT a regular Camaro!

It will still say Camaro just aft of both front wheels! Can we stop acting like it isn't what it is?

You mentioned earlier that most people saying it should be 50-55 are just saying that because it is what they can afford... So my question to you is what agenda do you have that makes you so adamant that it should not be priced closer to the GT500?

[Z/28orSs]

zl1 will me 2 grand more than a simular option gt500 is my guess so 55k sounds koo

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

The issue is getting approval from the boss. Currently, I have approval of a price up to the high $50K range, and that wasn't easy to achieve, "You want to spend how much on a Camaro? A Camaro?" If it were a Porsche or BMW, the price wouldn't be an issue, but I don't want a Porsche or BMW. I want a ZL1.

If the ZL1 price ends up being above the high $50K range, I'm going to have to reopen negotiations to get approval for a larger amount, and I may not come away with a successful result. If I don't, I'm not sure what vehicle I'd purchase at that point. I'd have to think long and hard about it if that were to occur. I think that I might not be the only Camaro enthusiast who is in the same position. Let's hope that Chevrolet comes through for us.

GoldenBear,

I certainly understand your concerns with the boss. It seems you can afford the car at whatever they are going to price it at but the boss takes issue with paying so much for the Camaro name. You of all people should be able to convince the boss. Has the boss seen any of your posts? Has the boss heard you call the ZL1 the car of an era? Does the boss understand what this car means to you? If you've already been preapproved for certainly 90% of the ZL1s cost I hope the remining should be easily approved if MSRP dictates. After all, you don't want one of those 'other' cars. You want the car of an era - and there is only one of those. If these things are in your argument I'm sure the boss will understand.

I think we appreciate the ZL1 for many of the same reasons. I know if I pass the ZL1 up I'll regret it for some time. Times are changing and who knows what the next few years will mean for pony cars. At the end of the day when I sit down and look at $48,000 or $60,000 I know I'd hate to think $12,000 stopped me from owning this great Camaro - and I'd hate to think that the only thing stopping you from getting it was the 'technicality' of paying so much for the Camaro name.
Good luck.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

GoldenBear,

I certainly understand your concerns with the boss. It seems you can afford the car at whatever they are going to price it at but the boss takes issue with paying so much for the Camaro name. You of all people should be able to convince the boss. Has the boss seen any of your posts? Has the boss heard you call the ZL1 the car of an era? Does the boss understand what this car means to you? If you've already been preapproved for certainly 90% of the ZL1s cost I hope the remining should be easily approved if MSRP dictates. After all, you don't want one of those 'other' cars. You want the car of an era - and there is only one of those. If these things are in your argument I'm sure the boss will understand.

I think we appreciate the ZL1 for many of the same reasons. I know if I pass the ZL1 up I'll regret it for some time. Times are changing and who knows what the next few years will mean for pony cars. At the end of the day when I sit down and look at $48,000 or $60,000 I know I'd hate to think $12,000 stopped me from owning this great Camaro - and I'd hate to think that the only thing stopping you from getting it was the 'technicality' of paying so much for the Camaro name.
Good luck.

I certainly understand you are making this a $12,000 decision vs original budget; And, that's ok. But what it does start to do is say, "hey for another $5,000 on top of that, I could have a base CTS-V with all the luxury"... and the beat goes on.

What it does not do is address the "pot" from which the budget will come. For those who are in their sixities, you might be talking about people on fixed incomes that are not working, can't work, or almost retired, and are willing to recalibrate (lower) retirement options to realize a once in a lifetime opportunity, not only in terms of owning a piece of history, but of having the joy of realizing an emotional lifetime dream that in all honesty, they may not ever get another chance at grabbing for. You can lean off the horse to grab that golden ring, but lean too far and you may just fall on your face. Talk about a balancing act. Decisions, decisions! Good luck to all in making your decison! :flag1:

PS: Hats off to all our troops!

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by EVoLGRiMM

It will still say Camaro just aft of both front wheels! Can we stop acting like it isn't what it is?

You mentioned earlier that most people saying it should be 50-55 are just saying that because it is what they can afford... So my question to you is what agenda do you have that makes you so adamant that it should not be priced closer to the GT500?

I have no agenda but the fact of the matter is you are getting more car ( based on everything we currently know) than a GT500. Therefore, it seems logical to expect that GM will be justified in charging more for it.

IMHO, people want the ZL1 to be $50k because that's the number they have created in their mind that a ultra high-performance should cost and anything more than that prices it out of the typical Camaro buyers reach.

Interestingly enough, Mustang fans were saying the exact same thing when the GT500 first went on sale but they have been selling them at continuously increasing prices for over six years now. If you want affordable performance from a Camaro, buy an SS and quit expecting GM to provide you with ZL1 level performance for only a few thousand dollars more.

[Blackkaz04]

Originally Posted by tooslow

I have no agenda but the fact of the matter is you are getting more car ( based on everything we currently know) than a GT500. Therefore, it seems logical to expect that GM will be justified in charging more for it.

IMHO, people want the ZL1 to be $50k because that's the number they have created in their mind that a ultra high-performance should cost and anything more than that prices it out of the typical Camaro buyers reach.

Interestingly enough, Mustang fans were saying the exact same thing when the GT500 first went on sale but they have been selling them at continuously increasing prices for over six years now. If you want affordable performance from a Camaro, buy an SS and quit expecting GM to provide you with ZL1 level performance for only a few thousand dollars more.

50-55k would be a fair price. It would compete with the shelby and it would give some of the blue collar workers hopes of owning one. It's still a camaro.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Blackkaz04

50-55k would be a fair price. It would compete with the shelby and it would give some of the blue collar workers hopes of owning one. It's still a camaro.

Not to be crass, but maybe if a blue-collar GM buyer wants to own one, they need to do what blue-collar Ford buyers do and wait to get one used somewhere down the road. That or maybe the blue-collar worker might need to figure out how they can move up the income ladder. Again, I know that sounds elitist, but it is the reality that not everyone who desires to buy this car is going to be able to do so financially.