How much is reasonable now (base price), given the 'Ring times?

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

The good news is that if it ends up being on the far end of the spectrum.... There is room for another model in between!

Interesting point Mac, then, we can call that one a win-win proposition

Originally Posted by Pappa Joe

Hmmm...hows bout this....Gm builds awsome beast,get everyone excited.Prices it at 60-65k. Some people go into depression, others say sweet not a million on the road. People realize they cant afford ZL1 buy SSs... Then BAMMM.... GM brings in Z28 at 50 to 55k and the people are dancing in the streets! Everyone is Happy

...and then, to that end, swoop in on cue from their perch Wykoff69Z, Lowdown, and 2cnd chance to claim their prey they have been stalking! <and a bunch of others as well I might add.....> Interesting scenario Pappa Joe,

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by EVoLGRiMM

I have my fingers crossed that it is 53K also. That price is on the verge of my limit. I have quit smoking to be able to try and afford this car (smokers know that it takes something very big to make you stop smoking). Even with the money from not smoking I will be pushing it to get one.

I can’t agree with the corvette/cts-v performance = their cost!?! I am with Goldenbear it is a Camaro and should be aligned with the mustang. Also how many times have you heard "A Camaro is for the working man"? Well I am a working man and trying to give the ZL1 all the money that I can scrounge up.

Here is to praying for another ZL1 miracle

If you also stop drinking ,it will be a breeze , except water , a glass of wine ,a beer here and there and a couple of shots a week .

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Mikes SS

I am holding onto 50k or less base.

Why? Fbodfather has as much as said it's not going to be offered at that price. Wishing for something is not going to happen. I could understand holding onto that 50k or less dream if nothing had ever been said about price by anyone.

[Blackkaz04]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Not to be crass, but maybe if a blue-collar GM buyer wants to own one, they need to do what blue-collar Ford buyers do and wait to get one used somewhere down the road. That or maybe the blue-collar worker might need to figure out how they can move up the income ladder. Again, I know that sounds elitist, but it is the reality that not everyone who desires to buy this car is going to be able to do so financially.

Yeah, you're right, all the men and women in the armed forces should quit and become pencil pushers so we can move up in the income chain.

[Blackkaz04]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Why? Fbodfather has as much as said it's not going to be offered at that price. Wishing for something is not going to happen. I could understand holding onto that 50k or less dream if nothing had ever been said about price by anyone.

let us wish. why does it bother you if we speculate and hope it is offered at 50k? We got it, YOUR getting one. Cool. Thanks, have fun with it.

[Dcasandman]

My First post here, but I have been a huge fan of Camaros growing up. Had a mid 90s Z28, and my dad had my dream 1968 SS/RS 396 Camaro. I know everyone has opinions, but the way I look at things right now GM can not afford to build cars that do not move in decent volume. They already have the ZR1 for that. If this car eclipses 55-60k I really feel after the initial rush of hardcore camaro people sales, most people will opt for a C63 AMG, CTSV, ISF, or New M3 for badge alone. Maybe even a XFR Jag.
The other point made earlier is selling this to the boss (Wife). It is much easier to sale the wife on a 60-80k Mercedes, BMW, or Porsche than a Camaro. Believe me I went down that road with an Evo X. Wife would have rather had me spend 100k on a Porsche than my just as capable 35k 400whp EvoX, so it was sold quickly. Say what you want about that, but keeping the misses happy comes first if I want to be happy.
Now saying all that if they keep base price right around 50 with the top end around 55k with options I think it will sale pretty decent. In fact I have been shopping the new C63, but after seeing the performance of this car I am going to hold off and wait to see the dust clear. If it stays around the price point I feel a Camaro should be at I will more than likely bring one home. Priced above that they better really up the anty on quality of interior, fit and finish.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

I certainly understand your concerns with the boss. It seems you can afford the car at whatever they are going to price it at but the boss takes issue with paying so much for the Camaro name. You of all people should be able to convince the boss. Has the boss seen any of your posts? Has the boss heard you call the ZL1 the car of an era? Does the boss understand what this car means to you? If you've already been preapproved for certainly 90% of the ZL1s cost I hope the remining should be easily approved if MSRP dictates. After all, you don't want one of those 'other' cars. You want the car of an era - and there is only one of those. If these things are in your argument I'm sure the boss will understand.

Those are the arguments that I used to convince the boss, who isn't exactly an American muscle car enthusiast to begin with and who thinks that $35K is plenty to spend on a Camaro, to agree to spending up to the high $50,000s on the ZL1, which is an amount that is already well beyond that which she's comfortable spending on a Camaro.

If it turns out that the ZL1 MSRP is beyond my approved spending limit and I can't successfully negotiate a spending limit increase, it won't be the end of the world. Sure, I'll be very disappointed, but I'll survive. Most things in life usually involve trade offs, and there are things in life that are more important than cars. I'll probably end up with a vehicle that I'll be happy with, but it just won't be the vehicle that I really wanted. As Mick and the boys one sang, "You can't always get what you want."

Right now, price and then allocation numbers are my biggest concerns with the ZL1, as I'm confident that the rest of its yet to be release performance numbers will be more than adequate.

I hope that the ZL1 ends up being priced at a point (less than 10% more than a semi equivalent GT500) where most enthusiasts who realistically want one can purchase one. We should find out in a little over a month.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Chevrolet will come through for us one more time.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Those are the arguments that I used to convince the boss, who isn't exactly an American muscle car enthusiast to begin with and who thinks that $35K is plenty to spend on a Camaro, to agree to spending up to the high $50,000s on the ZL1, which is an amount that is already well beyond that which she's comfortable spending on a Camaro.

If it turns out that the ZL1 MSRP is beyond my approved spending limit and I can't successfully negotiate a spending limit increase, it won't be the end of the world. Sure, I'll be very disappointed, but I'll survive. Most things in life usually involve trade offs, and there are things in life that are more important than cars. I'll probably end up with a vehicle that I'll be happy with, but it just won't be the vehicle that I really wanted. As Mick and the boys one sang, "You can't always get what you want."

Right now, price and then allocation numbers are my biggest concerns with the ZL1, as I'm confident that the rest of its yet to be release performance numbers will be more than adequate,

I hope that the ZL1 ends up being priced at a point (less than 10% more than a semi equivalent GT500) where most enthusiasts who realistically want one can purchase one. We should find out in a little over a month.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Chevrolet will come through for us one more time.

I agree with ya there man; if it's around high 50s when it's said and done then I may not be getting one either. If it does end up being that way... I guess I'll throw in a hellion TT kit and call it day lol.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Dcasandman

My First post here, but I have been a huge fan of Camaros growing up. Had a mid 90s Z28, and my dad had my dream 1968 SS/RS 396 Camaro. I know everyone has opinions, but the way I look at things right now GM can not afford to build cars that do not move in decent volume. They already have the ZR1 for that. If this car eclipses 55-60k I really feel after the initial rush of hardcore camaro people sales, most people will opt for a C63 AMG, CTSV, ISF, or New M3 for badge alone. Maybe even a XFR Jag.
The other point made earlier is selling this to the boss (Wife). It is much easier to sale the wife on a 60-80k Mercedes, BMW, or Porsche than a Camaro. Believe me I went down that road with an Evo X. Wife would have rather had me spend 100k on a Porsche than my just as capable 35k 400whp EvoX, so it was sold quickly. Say what you want about that, but keeping the misses happy comes first if I want to be happy.
Now saying all that if they keep base price right around 50 with the top end around 55k with options I think it will sale pretty decent. In fact I have been shopping the new C63, but after seeing the performance of this car I am going to hold off and wait to see the dust clear. If it stays around the price point I feel a Camaro should be at I will more than likely bring one home. Priced above that they better really up the anty on quality of interior, fit and finish.

Welcome aboard! Nice post. Let's play devil's advocate. Maybe Chevy want's a niche car with all the bells and whistles and price to match as in the ZL1 that we have seen so far. Should this car, as pointed out in Shnomac's list of performance versus cost, be under priced just because it is a Chevy? Maybe they, Chevy, are not concerned about volume. Alot of investment, time, and R&D went into the Beast. Will any of that be brought to market in yet another unmentioned namesake icon from the past designated for the assembly line that WILL blow out the door for the price so many people are clamoring for? Maybe. I understand your plight about The Boss. As they say, if mommy ain't happy, nobody's happy. I am not in that position, but I understand that living in certain areas it is expected that one drive a certain brand or another car to keep the social staus quo, or one may be looked down or frowned upon. We personally never keep up with the Jones' but I see the reality in that because of the area I live near. I am not saying that's your case but shoot, a Chevy? Really??? Everybody knows a BMW is better...LOL. Tell mom this Chevy will walk those imports the neighbors drive before breakfast.... You admittedly are a Camaro guy and I feel you want this car. Boy and how do I. You have to make yourself happy as well as your partner. Point out the potential value based upon the most recent track time and it's perfomance level compared to the known prices of those expensive cars with the fancy schmancy emblems. My read on price is mid 50's base..., but most stuff is standard. The speculation is based on pure conjecture. I don't see this Behemoth starting at over 60. If so I am out, and I will wait on the Z-28. Ladies and Gentleman the Chevy ZL1 is on final approach, please fasten your seat belts. Thank you for flying Chevrolet. We hope you have enjoyed the trip.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

My read on price is mid 50's base..., but most stuff is standard. The speculation is based on pure conjecture. I don't see this Behemoth starting at over 60. If so I am out, and I will wait on the Z-28. Ladies and Gentleman the Chevy ZL1 is on final approach, please fasten your seat belts. Thank you for flying Chevrolet. We hope you have enjoyed the trip.

Parallel views on this! I believe it will end up BASE PRICE 56 + 6K OPTIONS - TAKING IT OVER 60.
1k for TT&Doc fees,
1k for delivery
2k for A6,
2k for gg,
and how in the hell does any dealer think we will pay that $699 fee or whatever for "FIRST PLACE FINISH"??? LOL. The last thing I want them doing is waxing my car and possibly spraying some seat protection on it.

And we havent even begun to talk Suede, Rims, Nav (?), ???

I am not sure how this will stay under 60 unless GM suprizes us. That said, it is almost in CTS-V luxury territory... almost! At least with a discount!

[Dcasandman]

^I see what you are saying and very good points. Just looking at the financial situation of US car makers right now. They need to sell cars, and I just think people other than hardcore car people or camaro people on these boards will look to more luxury sport sedans at to high a price point. Especially for people that use this price range car as a daily driver.

I really see it starting out ridiculous high like the Gt500s did(Maybe even selling in the 70s) and then calming down quite a bit. Wait 6 months for all the bugs and ECU flashes to be fixed to correct engine smoothness and I bet you pay 10-15k less than on release.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Blackkaz04

Yeah, you're right, all the men and women in the armed forces should quit and become pencil pushers so we can move up in the income chain.

Being a veteran myself, I am very aware of the income gap between the private sector and the military for similar job responsibilities. If you have elected to make the military your career, then congrats to you, but the fact is you will have to deal with the limitations that come with that decision. Income level being one of them.

Originally Posted by Blackkaz04

let us wish. why does it bother you if we speculate and hope it is offered at 50k? We got it, YOUR getting one. Cool. Thanks, have fun with it.

Doesn't bother me one bit, but talking about a price that that is, by all accounts, not going to happen seems a little silly to me. If that's what floats your boat, then by all means, continue. Maybe I should hope they lower the price if the ZR1 next year so I can afford one. And no, even if it was in my financial ability to get one at this time, I wouldn't buy one.

[KKreme15]

Originally Posted by Blackkaz04

Yeah, you're right, all the men and women in the armed forces should quit and become pencil pushers so we can move up in the income chain.

No. But you shouldn't expect to be able to be afforded the luxuries some people can afford to pay for. No need to play the armed forces card. No, I won't feel bad for you if you can't afford a top of the line Camaro with supercar performance, just as I don't feel bad for everyone that can't afford a nice corvette, or a nice porsche.

[2012ZL1]

I think all Blackkaz04 is just saying that the ZL1 should be priced like we all expected it to be. This would have made it available to him and others in the same financial range. I don't think that he is low income by any means, nor do I think he is trying to get sympathy for being in the military. What he is saying is, the average joe, which is the regular purchaser for the Camaro line, cannot afford it if it is 58 - 60 k.
Its kind of like building a 35,000.00 Cobalt. It can be done, but why?