Where's that new steering wheel at now?

[CAMAROZL1]

I LIKE APPLE PIE.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.


Now.......


Who has the apple pie? I want it!

Looks something like this:







That is how much I care about different steering wheels.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by CAMAROZL1

I LIKE APPLE PIE.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.


Now.......


Who has the apple pie? I want it!

Looks something like this:







That is how much I care about different steering wheels.

[SnoopyAce7]

looks like they took the gauges off of a crotch rocket

[Caspers2SSRS]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

First off, I hate blocks of text. Paragraphs are your friend. Not directed just towards you, there are a few people here who apparently don't know what the "Return" key on their keyboard is for.

And utilizing the same steering wheel pales in comparison to the rebadging fiasco that Detroit had in the 80s and 90s. It's hardly a valid comparison.

Ah! contare. Generalizing of course.....but if you were traveling around the circumference a circle clockwise from one point to another, you'd tend to end up at the exact same point if the same route were traveled counter clockwise...............no need history repeat itself using a previously tried and failed methodolgy.

It should be as obvious as a inflamed pimple.....that consumers have already begun to dissect the flaws in manufactors standardizing products which are marketed under the assumption that no one notice ........... the prices aren't the same.

The principle that value be established in the recognizable visual uniqueness of a product, including automobiles has a long standing tradition of continued success ................. GM sat idily on its laurels as the once pale frame work of its pony car platform faded from the competitive market place, notably for nearly a decade, while the blue oval gang raced into the sunset.............the validity in the comparo lies there.

Its also worthy of mention, there are long standing loyal consumers amongst us whose viewpoint's not be discarded like a grain of salt by those deriving their 21st century livelyhood's ........

[melvinakshay]

I think the cheapes chevy is an Aveo

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by melvinakshay

I think the cheapes chevy is an Aveo

Aveo is dead, replaced by Sonic (still Aveo in overseas markets).

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Caspers2SSRS

Ah! contare. Generalizing of course.....but if you were traveling around the circumference a circle clockwise from one point to another, you'd tend to end up at the exact same point if the same route were traveled counter clockwise...............no need history repeat itself using a previously tried and failed methodolgy.

It should be as obvious as a inflamed pimple.....that consumers have already begun to dissect the flaws in manufactors standardizing products which are marketed under the assumption that no one notice ........... the prices aren't the same.

The principle that value be established in the recognizable visual uniqueness of a product, including automobiles has a long standing tradition of continued success ................. GM sat idily on its laurels as the once pale frame work of its pony car platform faded from the competitive market place, notably for nearly a decade, while the blue oval gang raced into the sunset.............the validity in the comparo lies there.

Its also worthy of mention, there are long standing loyal consumers amongst us whose viewpoint's not be discarded like a grain of salt by those deriving their 21st century livelyhood's ........

GM utilizing the Chevrolet corporate steering wheel in the Camaro is nowhere near GM rebadging a car.

Your argument is invalid.

Bottom line: The new wheel is an improvement.

By the way, if you think Ford doesn't use corporate steering wheels/parts or rebadges cars, you're delusional.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Caspers2SSRS

It isn't the gripe's that materially important, its want consumers see that is evidently being changed for reasons other than supposive styling cues, which in fact are found latter to be admitted cost cutting measures. Eventually as history has proven standardizes everything until something unique becomes ordinarily mundane and the buying interests are lost..............certainly prices aren't being lowered portionally as these unique quailties are being sacrificed. Heck if automobile features are simply going to mirror one another............whats the point of building more than one model. It seems that it would be easier ( cost efficient) to simply build a series of automobile's on the same platform with the same general appearance and give then different names..............never mind, that tactic has already been tried by the think tanks.........Chevy Caprice aka Buick Roadmaster. Camaro's, Firebirds, ie. Why do you suppose Ford and the other makers of illusions on wheels ( the ones you believe build better cars) that floated past a sinking ship just a mere year or so ago...........are still sailing high and dry. Carry on...........

So is Chevy putting a less than impressive interior in the Camaro is a cost cutting measure? Without a doubt, the Camaro has plastic the Mustang has Aluminium and rubber. Ironically here in Canada you can get a Mustang for cheaper than a Camaro.

To the whole reusing platforms, yeah it is a cost cutting measure but every car manufacturer does it in some way or another. Chevy uses the LS3 in both the Camaro SS and Corvette. The Camaro's platform is the same as the Holden Commodore and the Pontiac G8 was a rebadged Commodore. As pointed out, the Cobalt has the same steering wheel as the Corvette.

If you think that Chevrolet is any better than Ford or Dodge then you must live in Magical Unicorn Fairy Land, where everyone loves each other and companies care about the consumer. First and foremost companies care about profit, that is the whole point of a company. You don't go into business to loose money by any means.

The reason that companies don't make cars that are 100% identical is because having one model doesn't make any sense and anyone with a brain would understand that. Using a steering wheel that is the same is different from using the same body panels. BMW's cars all follow a similar style both inside and outside, they still sell.

Oh and the reason the steering wheel we changed is because the old one is a piece of crap. Ergonomicly it is horrible, the buttons are placed in a horrible, horrible way and it's not a good steering wheel for any form of performance driving. I'm glad they changed it because after driving my sisters GT500 or my 350Z the flaws of the 10-11 steering wheel really show.

Every company does it and don't try to act like they don't.

[JoshBobGuptaMarley]

What is with people who like the interior of the mustang. It is horrible, I mean cheap looking and horrible. Have you seen the shifting nob. I can't believe people actually like it. I was looking in one the other day and I thought it was ugly. It really does look like a crappy toy on the inside and out. Everyone loves my car. I get called out everywhere I go. I have dreadlocks down to my ass and I always get stopped everywhere for pictures and such, but this car really does take the attention away from it. I love it!

[HumanWiki]

I like my 2010 wheel.. The name on it helps me remember what car I'm in.

[Caspers2SSRS]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

So is Chevy putting a less than impressive interior in the Camaro is a cost cutting measure? Without a doubt, the Camaro has plastic the Mustang has Aluminium and rubber. Ironically here in Canada you can get a Mustang for cheaper than a Camaro.

To the whole reusing platforms, yeah it is a cost cutting measure but every car manufacturer does it in some way or another. Chevy uses the LS3 in both the Camaro SS and Corvette. The Camaro's platform is the same as the Holden Commodore and the Pontiac G8 was a rebadged Commodore. As pointed out, the Cobalt has the same steering wheel as the Corvette.

If you think that Chevrolet is any better than Ford or Dodge then you must live in Magical Unicorn Fairy Land, where everyone loves each other and companies care about the consumer. First and foremost companies care about profit, that is the whole point of a company. You don't go into business to loose money by any means.

The reason that companies don't make cars that are 100% identical is because having one model doesn't make any sense and anyone with a brain would understand that. Using a steering wheel that is the same is different from using the same body panels. BMW's cars all follow a similar style both inside and outside, they still sell.

Oh and the reason the steering wheel we changed is because the old one is a piece of crap. Ergonomicly it is horrible, the buttons are placed in a horrible, horrible way and it's not a good steering wheel for any form of performance driving. I'm glad they changed it because after driving my sisters GT500 or my 350Z the flaws of the 10-11 steering wheel really show.

Every company does it and don't try to act like they don't.

We're not talking every company.....nor do you represent them. I can't find any evidence that supports your postiion that "The old wheel is a piece of crap". In fact that position defies logic. The available time frame ........measured from the point from which the car was introduced to the retail market place and that very short point in time of the changes on the 12' model year reintroduction. We're only looking a two years...................

It you guys honestly believe that anyone would believe GM had enough time to collect and collate mounds of extraordinary evidence of steering wheel complaints from a near infant aged market purchasing a particular model car, your assumptions that it's believable are blindly formulated.

If not, please explain how long it takes from the time an idea "of change for the better" .........becomes a thought, to the point it is validated ( Using the science of function and safety"), through the entire production process (engineering, retooling, material acquatition, and machining) and finally is made available to the consumer in the products being sold...................surely not over night, and two model years of automobiles introduction, is nearly overnight.

It appears all the bantering offered by those speaking for GM's reasoning in open forum here is..........The original steering wheel was deemed a failure by GM long before it ever hit dealers inventories. The planning process for the replacement wheel, began...........long before the first original one was ever installed in a Camaro on the assembly line........ It was neccessary to use all the old ones up ( Those aforementioned Crappy One's) that had been contracted for from the supplier as well those in the production process and GM on hand inventory. GM hadn't any problem admittingly using inferior products and releasing them into the marketplace........

Finally....................whether or not the new wheel is supposively more comfortable and user friendly, I hope GM canned everyone on the original steering wheel design team, as mentioned by someone official earlier........." form over function", failed. More importantly yesterday failures......are tommorrows consumers costs.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by JoshBobGuptaMarley

What is with people who like the interior of the mustang. It is horrible, I mean cheap looking and horrible. Have you seen the shifting nob. I can't believe people actually like it. I was looking in one the other day and I thought it was ugly. It really does look like a crappy toy on the inside and out. Everyone loves my car. I get called out everywhere I go. I have dreadlocks down to my ass and I always get stopped everywhere for pictures and such, but this car really does take the attention away from it. I love it!

You know why you get called out? Cause the Camaro is a new design, where as the Mustang is about evolution and really always has been. People like the Mustangs interior because it uses better materials than the Camaro. An Aluminium steering wheel bezel vs a plastic one, soft touch instead of hard plastic. There is a reason BMW's use leather and soft touch in their cars and it's because plastic is cheap looking.

Originally Posted by Caspers2SSRS

We're not talking every company.....nor do you represent them. I can't find any evidence that supports your postiion that "The old wheel is a piece of crap". In fact that position defies logic. The available time frame ........measured from the point from which the car was introduced to the retail market place and that very short point in time of the changes on the 12' model year reintroduction. We're only looking a two years...................

It you guys honestly believe that anyone would believe GM had enough time to collect and collate mounds of extraordinary evidence of steering wheel complaints from a near infant aged market purchasing a particular model car, your assumptions that it's believable are blindly formulated.

If not, please explain how long it takes from the time an idea "of change for the better" .........becomes a thought, to the point it is validated ( Using the science of function and safety"), through the entire production process (engineering, retooling, material acquatition, and machining) and finally is made available to the consumer in the products being sold...................surely not over night, and two model years of automobiles introduction, is nearly overnight.

It appears all the bantering offered by those speaking for GM's reasoning in open forum here is..........The original steering wheel was deemed a failure by GM long before it ever hit dealers inventories. The planning process for the replacement wheel, began...........long before the first original one was ever installed in a Camaro on the assembly line........ It was neccessary to use all the old ones up ( Those aforementioned Crappy One's) that had been contracted for from the supplier as well those in the production process and GM on hand inventory. GM hadn't any problem admittingly using inferior products and releasing them into the marketplace........

Finally....................whether or not the new wheel is supposively more comfortable and user friendly, I hope GM canned everyone on the original steering wheel design team, as mentioned by someone official earlier........." form over function", failed. More importantly yesterday failures......are tommorrows consumers costs.

Do you mean concrete evidence that the old wheel sucks? Reviewers hated it, it's a form over function design, nothing more. The buttons are in an incredibly akward place the steering wheel is like a serving platter. Reviewers affect consumer opinions, whether or not you believe that is on you but people do take things like reviews into consideration. Chevy changed the wheel because of negative reviews of it.

Enthusiasts make up a very small percentange of the buying market, due to that car manufactures are not out to please the enthusiasts, they are out to please the people that will buy the cars. It's a sad reality but it's also the reason so many V6 Camaro's are sold instead of SS's and ZL1's. The enthusiasts buy, not always I mind you, the more expensive models. It's the same reason there isn't a performance engine in the V6's or a performance package for the V6.

My point with all that is Chevy isn't out to please the people that loved the steering wheel (enthusiasts), they are out to please the people that will buy the car (average consumers) the people that buy the car because it's new, not because it's a Camaro.

[Wakemaker89]

Originally Posted by CAMAROZL1

I LIKE APPLE PIE.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.


Now.......


Who has the apple pie? I want it!

Looks something like this:







That is how much I care about different steering wheels.

I'm with this guy I want pie!

[RED DEMON SS]