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Sabrina saysssss · 01-12-2008, 03:00 PM

it's beautiful <3

wheres the bowtie?

stovt001 · 01-12-2008, 03:33 PM

To me it doesn't matter if the vents on the original were cut off or not. I don't care if it is homage to the original. Functional vents are good. Non functional vents just make you look like you value "show" over "go". Vain styling details for the sake of details annoys me.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-12-2008, 04:07 PM

By functional...I really want to understand this...By 'functional', you don't actually expect them to cool the brakes, do you?

stovt001 · 01-12-2008, 04:22 PM

If not, then why have them? To add more design busyness? Its just like the front fender vents that are now on everything from subcompacts to trucks. Complexity for complexity's sake.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-12-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

If not, then why have them? To add more design busyness?

Yup...

stovt001 · 01-12-2008, 04:44 PM

OK then I guess it is a matter of taste. I just prefer that as far as vents go, I want them functional or not there at all.

*DGthe3* · 01-12-2008, 04:50 PM

as far as form vs function goes, I much perfer function. But I look at the car as a whole rather than the individual components. So in my mind, if it has high performance features that can't be seen, then its ok to have some styling that reflects the nature of the car. So long as its not overdone I'm ok.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

OK then I guess it is a matter of taste. I just prefer that as far as vents go, I want them functional or not there at all.

Don't get me wrong, I'd absolutely love the vents to actually cool the brakes - however, IF they do end up getting cut out, I very much doubt they will. I hope I'm wrong, though.

stovt001 · 01-12-2008, 05:08 PM

I want ducts going from the front scoop to a real CAI setup, and I want ducts going from the rear vents to the brakes. If not I'd prefer that both be left off, but it isn't a deal breaker either way.

Sweeper · 01-12-2008, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camero

Why would you want the side vents cut out? The '69 never had them cut out.

I'm with Camero....if the '69 didn't have them cut out...why should the '09?
It's a design element to tie the look of '09 to the '69.

Sweep

stovt001 · 01-12-2008, 05:55 PM

By that reasoning, why should we have alloy wheels instead of the orange and chrome steel wheels we see here? Why should we have two body-colored side mirrors rather than the 1 chrome side mirror on the '69 model? Why not just clone the '69 model like the Challenger basically cloned its '70 model? Heck lets go all the way and bring back carburation, drum brakes, no power accessories, and steering ratios similar to lottery odds.

wildpaws · 01-12-2008, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

By that reasoning, why should we have alloy wheels instead of the orange and chrome steel wheels we see here? Why should we have two body-colored side mirrors rather than the 1 chrome side mirror on the '69 model? Why not just clone the '69 model like the Challenger basically cloned its '70 model? Heck lets go all the way and bring back carburation, drum brakes, no power accessories, and steering ratios similar to lottery odds.

While I get your point, I think you were a little over zealous in what you consider as '69 engineering (unless I misunderstood what you were saying). You could get front disks or four wheel disk brakes on '69 Camaros, there were power accessories, power assisted steering in a couple of variations and optional quicker steering ratios. '69 was somewhat advanced from the Model T days! I agree though, there is no need for the 2010 Camaro to go completely retro.
Clyde

stovt001 · 01-12-2008, 06:59 PM

All of those things were optional and not that common. I looked through a number of 1969 and 1970 Camaros and Chevelles and very, very few had power accessories or 4 wheel disks. The point I'm making is that I'd rather not go retro at the expense of progress. Homages are all well and good, but I'd rather this be an improvement over the original.

Scotsman · 01-12-2008, 09:31 PM

GM Design makes another production hit out of a concept! I knew from jump they wouldn't let us down. Thank you Scott and everyone at GM for making this happen! I'm ecstatic and looking forward to getting one of my very own.

01-12-2008, 04:07 PM	#157
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01-12-2008, 04:50 PM	#161
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	as far as form vs function goes, I much perfer function. But I look at the car as a whole rather than the individual components. So in my mind, if it has high performance features that can't be seen, then its ok to have some styling that reflects the nature of the car. So long as its not overdone I'm ok. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

01-12-2008, 09:31 PM	#168
Scotsman Auto Pilot Drives: Gunmetal Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 1,307	GM Design makes another production hit out of a concept! I knew from jump they wouldn't let us down. Thank you Scott and everyone at GM for making this happen! I'm ecstatic and looking forward to getting one of my very own. __________________ "Let the rest of the world dream of Ferraris, Lamborghinis and dinky little British two-seaters. In this country speed doesn't look like that." Got SS?

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01-12-2008, 03:00 PM	#155
Sabrina saysssss Drives: 95 camaro <3 =p Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pa Posts: 85	it's beautiful <3 wheres the bowtie?

01-12-2008, 03:33 PM	#156
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	To me it doesn't matter if the vents on the original were cut off or not. I don't care if it is homage to the original. Functional vents are good. Non functional vents just make you look like you value "show" over "go". Vain styling details for the sake of details annoys me.

01-12-2008, 04:22 PM	#158
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	If not, then why have them? To add more design busyness? Its just like the front fender vents that are now on everything from subcompacts to trucks. Complexity for complexity's sake.

01-12-2008, 04:44 PM	#160
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	OK then I guess it is a matter of taste. I just prefer that as far as vents go, I want them functional or not there at all.

01-12-2008, 05:08 PM	#163
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	I want ducts going from the front scoop to a real CAI setup, and I want ducts going from the rear vents to the brakes. If not I'd prefer that both be left off, but it isn't a deal breaker either way.

01-12-2008, 05:55 PM	#165
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	By that reasoning, why should we have alloy wheels instead of the orange and chrome steel wheels we see here? Why should we have two body-colored side mirrors rather than the 1 chrome side mirror on the '69 model? Why not just clone the '69 model like the Challenger basically cloned its '70 model? Heck lets go all the way and bring back carburation, drum brakes, no power accessories, and steering ratios similar to lottery odds.

01-12-2008, 06:59 PM	#167
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	All of those things were optional and not that common. I looked through a number of 1969 and 1970 Camaros and Chevelles and very, very few had power accessories or 4 wheel disks. The point I'm making is that I'd rather not go retro at the expense of progress. Homages are all well and good, but I'd rather this be an improvement over the original.