Maggie TVS2300 driving experiences....

[Dr Jkel]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I'm somewhere in the middle -- not a "stock" FI setup, but not fully modified either.

There is a lot to think about when adding FI to your car -- The powertrain isn't designed for it and by putting it on there, you are assuming risk. The risk increases the more over just the S/C that you add, but, risk nonetheless. Some of us go tens of thousands of miles with no issues, some of us blow up parts the first track time out. My S/C came with free upgraded axles, so if you were going to do that -- I'd recommend talking to Hendrix Engineering. I believe they still have that deal going. Then you have upgraded a notorious part in the manual FI cars.

If it's just a toy for you, then honestly, I would just stick with the base install package from one of the vendors.. If you do that, I believe you can get some sort of warranty from them -- until you start adding headers, dropping down pulley, etc. That might hit the middle for you.

Just saw your other follow up post -- Those 22"s, like you said, probably aren't helping you either. I don't know their weight, but the faster you spin them, the more they're going to weigh and the more resistant to change they're going to be.

I can't speak to gear swaps -- but, I do know that many people on here had issues when they first started doing them -- so, I'd look around for those that did them, had issues, etc and see if they'd do it again.

I know a little about this and have watched my nephew on his build, a 2007 Mustang and the issues he had...Stick motor with a Procharger....toasted motor.........Built motor with Procharger....toasted tranny.......Built Motor, Procharger, Built Tranny......toasted rear end......When he was finally done he had a new motor, new tranny, new rear end and 850rwhp....problem was he could find tires to put it down.

I realize that I am not going to set any land speed records, LOL but any improvements in HP I want to be reliable, and usable.

It is good to know that so many people have did these mods with a certain success and even though mine is cammed with hearders this may be something that I can do reasonably safe.

I looked at the 427 thing, gear swap, and F/I and I am always looking for peoples experiences....true you have to take everything with a grain of salt because sometime people do not want to tell the bad and all you hear is the good...but overtime you kinda get a feel for what is going on especially when you are a noob.

The axle upgrade is kind of a no brainer and sounds like a great deal to me.

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

I'm running the stock maggie pulley and stock fuel pump.

Randy had to pulley down and run a BAP to get to the same RWHP I have. but that's the difference between auto and manual drive train loss. Since Randy did the LS3 conversion he makes a bit more at the crank...

My AFR is very flat at 11.7. Nice and safe.

Are you still good if you use a smaller pulley? John's an LS3 as well so this is good info.

[HumanWiki]

The other thing is, I'd make sure you let the vendor know of your existing cam and make sure it's blower friendly..

Other than that, it seems like you've got a good handle on the situation and with what you're looking to get, honestly, any of the major FI systems out there would make you happy. -- I'm guessing you've already read through the long thread over Turbo vs S/C and then the differences people see with butt dyno between PD/Centry?

[Dr Jkel]

Originally Posted by garcmol

Got your PM John but throwing this here, Does the "package" include a boost pump, injectors, (Do those have to be changed?), intercooler, and whatever else?

And that 22" rotating mass can't help at all!

Oh I am sure it includes everything I would need, Ron does a great job of taking care of those things for me.....

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

I'm running the stock maggie pulley and stock fuel pump.

Randy had to pulley down and run a BAP to get to the same RWHP I have. but that's the difference between auto and manual drive train loss. Since Randy did the LS3 conversion he makes a bit more at the crank...

My AFR is very flat at 11.7. Nice and safe.

See I see my car more like yours than anything, pretty much a mild, if you can call a S/C'd car mild, modification.

I do have a cam which would increase mine a bit and maybe require a BAP on mine.

I was told that adding the S/C to my car would get me roughly 100 or so RWHP....But I am like you Chris....SAFE and SOUND.....

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by garcmol

Are you still good if you use a smaller pulley? John's an LS3 as well so this is good info.

without a CAM.... I probably could safely go down one pulley... but I'd want an AFR gauge in the car to be sure... even with a dyno tune... if I go looking for more power the BAP will be part of my build.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

The other thing is, I'd make sure you let the vendor know of your existing cam and make sure it's blower friendly..

Other than that, it seems like you've got a good handle on the situation and with what you're looking to get, honestly, any of the major FI systems out there would make you happy. -- I'm guessing you've already read through the long thread over Turbo vs S/C and then the differences people see with butt dyno between PD/Centry?

Totally Agree.

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

Oh I am sure it includes everything I would need, Ron does a great job of taking care of those things for me.....



See I see my car more like yours than anything, pretty much a mild, if you can call a S/C'd car mild, modification.

I do have a cam which would increase mine a bit and maybe require a BAP on mine.

I was told that adding the S/C to my car would get me roughly 100 or so RWHP....But I am like you Chris....SAFE and SOUND.....

Yeah vengeance is going to do it right. Just keep in mind.. Ron is a bit of a power freak... so just make sure he knows you are looking for a safe build.

550 to the wheels is a great place to be... just powerful enough to get the blood pumping yet not so much that you drive scared... well ... the first couple times you're gonna

Then you'll be more like....

[Dr Jkel]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

The other thing is, I'd make sure you let the vendor know of your existing cam and make sure it's blower friendly..

Other than that, it seems like you've got a good handle on the situation and with what you're looking to get, honestly, any of the major FI systems out there would make you happy. -- I'm guessing you've already read through the long thread over Turbo vs S/C and then the differences people see with butt dyno between PD/Centry?

Luckily for me Vengeance has done all my mod's so they do know what is in my car....Ron takes very good care of me and my car...he suggested a Whipple a few months ago......

Usually when you ask questions people get offended like you are questioning their car but this discussion is great and provides alot of knowledge.
Every build has it's Pro's and Con's and of course S/C people think theirs is the best and Turbo people think their is the best etc.......

I checked out Huffers build and it turned out great, well after the meth thing got fixed, but he seems to like it...BUT he wants to go somehere I will not attempt .....high 9's low 10's.

I wasted money on cams early on not really knowing what I wanted and I guess is the reason I am looking at all the different options, the reality of doing each one and the possibilities( Problems) of doing them.

Chris's car Thr.....to me is pretty tame modded.....makes good power, drives good and is pretty safe and reliable and is more like my car , M6......I know he drives it spirited but really doesn't BEAT on it that I know and it is lasting going on 3 years now.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

Luckily for me Vengeance has done all my mod's so they do know what is in my car....Ron takes very good care of me and my car...he suggested a Whipple a few months ago......

Usually when you ask questions people get offended like you are questioning their car but this discussion is great and provides alot of knowledge.
Every build has it's Pro's and Con's and of course S/C people think theirs is the best and Turbo people think their is the best etc.......

I checked out Huffers build and it turned out great, well after the meth thing got fixed, but he seems to like it...BUT he wants to go somehere I will not attempt .....high 9's low 10's.

I wasted money on cams early on not really knowing what I wanted and I guess is the reason I am looking at all the different options, the reality of doing each one and the possibilities( Problems) of doing them.

Chris's car Thr.....to me is pretty tame modded.....makes good power, drives good and is pretty safe and reliable and is more like my car , M6......I know he drives it spirited but really doesn't BEAT on it that I know and it is lasting going on 3 years now.

Since they already know you and your car, I think you're all set.. Just need to make a decision on what you want and bring it to them..

[MAD600SS]

I like my Maggie on top of my 427 LSX with 15# of boost and a direct port 375 shot.

[GTAHVIT]

OK where'd you get the braided lines???

[ravensjeff]

Originally Posted by Blk-Ice

What are you guys opinion on the Lingenfelter packages VS the packages that other shops offer as far as the priceing and what you get? I'm thinking of sending mine there for the 650 forged package in Dec.

That is the package I got, along with alot of other stuff. You can see my build in the thread I just started here about passing emissions.

You can not go wrong with Lingenfelter. The confidence that their work/reputation gives you allows you to enjoy your new HP without worrying about it blowing the engine- especially with the what you get with that particular package.

It is expensive- but worth every penny.

Now back to the original OP's question from 1.5 years ago (Pete digging up old, but great thread): I'd say driving wise, the one difference for me was the suspension mods done in order to help keep the tires on the pavement and provide better performance with road coarse racing. Anytime you lower your car with springs, you are bound to get a stiffer/bumpy'r ride. It is noticeable. Do NOT expect to feel like you are driving a Cadillac. But I would still modify the suspension-traction is a must.

[MAD600SS]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

OK where'd you get the braided lines???

Custom made by ARD in Houston

[Blk-Ice]

Originally Posted by ravensjeff

That is the package I got, along with alot of other stuff. You can see my build in the thread I just started here about passing emissions.

You can not go wrong with Lingenfelter. The confidence that their work/reputation gives you allows you to enjoy your new HP without worrying about it blowing the engine- especially with the what you get with that particular package.

It is expensive- but worth every penny.

Now back to the original OP's question from 1.5 years ago (Pete digging up old, but great thread): I'd say driving wise, the one difference for me was the suspension mods done in order to help keep the tires on the pavement and provide better performance with road coarse racing. Anytime you lower your car with springs, you are bound to get a stiffer/bumpy'r ride. It is noticeable. Do NOT expect to feel like you are driving a Cadillac. But I would still modify the suspension-traction is a must.

Thanks Raven,,,

[Blackkaz04]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Yes.



This is very accurate.

But I will add that if you keep your foot in it you can overcome the computer .. and yes, in 3rd merging on to the freeway when the tires come loose it is a little .... ... you do need to train yourself to be easy on the throttle in 1st through 3rd... at least on my car anyway. a couple times I've broke em loose in 4th but that's only happened on a cold or wet day.

but if you get out of it the computer will bring it back to a straight line pretty quickly.



in 2nd gear... yes... 3rd... depends on where you are with RPM's but anything abouve 3k... and yes, it is possible to toast em.



you will notice the power of the maggie much better from a roll it just pulls like a train but keep your head on straight. because at WOT through 3rd... you are able to break em loose... not do a rolling burnout like you can in 1st and 2nd... but you can spin em.

In this vid I was on stock suspension and got a little wheel hop... I was trying not to spin the tires... I launched at a little over 2k I think...

But the flyby is where you can hear the maggie whine...

Good thread! GTAHVIT- I am over in Valdosta, but the wife drags me to St John's town center over in jax quite often. Would you consider giving me a ride in your camaro? I sold the corvette(need a backseat) and I am strongly thinking about a maggie and a 5th gen camaro. I don't have the purse or the need for a ZL1.

[Shuffler]

Madss car looks great in person also.