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Old 11-15-2011, 01:37 PM   #351
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Has anyone here saying that the camaro is more sophisticated or better quality ever driven one? Those cars are unbelievably quiet and smooth. The 2011 is crazy just how smooth it is.

The worst part is that the ford-fanboys are having a hayday with this one... SVTperformance must be bubbling!
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:42 PM   #352
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If nothing else it's good for us who buy performance cars. I love to see companies try to best each other.

Getting tired of Hybrid this plug in that. They have their place but it's nothing I'm intrested in.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:44 PM   #353
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what is interesting to me is that in the mid to late 90s and early 2000s... The mustang was way out-powered by the LT1 and LS1 Camaros and Trans-Ams, and even the Mustang Cobras could barely hang with the SS, Z/28, and WS-6s. Yet mustangs still outsold them. Now we have the 5.0 edging out the SS in performance, but Camaro now sells better. Is this a reversal of sorts? What do you all think?
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:50 PM   #354
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that's a good price point that should undercut the GT500. my issue being that we could see the ZL1/GT500 prices skyrocket to 70+k within a couple of years if this trend continues.
This is a good point. the pony/musclecar market has always had a strong hp to $ message, but with adding all this tech etc, they may be losing some of that.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:51 PM   #355
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what is interesting to me is that in the mid to late 90s and early 2000s... The mustang was way out-powered by the LT1 and LS1 Camaros and Trans-Ams, and even the Mustang Cobras could barely hang with the SS, Z/28, and WS-6s. Yet mustangs still outsold them. Now we have the 5.0 edging out the SS in performance, but Camaro now sells better. Is this a reversal of sorts? What do you all think?
I think is says that a car must be appealing on more than one level.

Maybe Chevy learned their lesson about having the high HP doesn't = higher sales...



But where the ZL1 and GT500 are concerned??? that's a different more exclusive buyer... Time will tell if those guys simply want bragging rights or what a complete car?

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Just scratch the LSA motor, put the dang LS9 motor in it, and lets do some damage
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:52 PM   #357
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It's funny watching some people write off the ZL1 and act completelt awestruck by this car when as far as anyone can tell the only significant difference between this model and the prior model is the additional horsepower. is that the only thing that makes a car great?

The ZL1 has some really amazing technology that the GT500 seriously lacks. The gap could be bridged based on the price difference between the 2 cars. The price difference between the cars people are throwing around is about $7K.

If Chevy decides to participate in one-upsmanship with Ford they have a lot of dollars to invest to make the price difference. Say they take $4K of that and put it into the motor and $3K of that invested into a weight savings program.

In the end you would have similar power and weight numbers and the ZL1 would have a much better car built on that.


You did read the entire press realease? Torsen limited slip, launch controld, bilstien 2 mode suspesnion, aero enhancements,. etc, etc. I do agree that the one missing bit of info is tires. i don't particularly believe a migger tires is necesarry, just a better one IMHO.
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the good news is they could..... If they had to...

How sweet it is!
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:02 PM   #360
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the good news is they could..... If they had to...
No they can't. There is no way GM will ever put the flagship motor in a Camaro. How many LT5, LS6 or LS7 Camaros have ever been produced??
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing for the longest time. FOREVER the Camaro has always been faster than the Mustang but the Mustang sold more. Now since the 5th Gen Camaro has came out the roles have been reversed.
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WOW 650hp

2013 Shelby GT500 has 650hp and top speed of 200mph
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2013 gt500?

Just read Fords PR about it. They say it will be pounding out 650 horse and 600 torque. Now those are some mighty impressive numbers.
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No they can't. There is no way GM will ever put the flagship motor in a Camaro. How many LT5, LS6 or LS7 Camaros have ever been produced??
throttle back dude,

I never said they would.... I said they could... It just shows GM has the ability to make the same kind of power when they need to...
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