2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 650 HP! How will it stack up against the ZL1?

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

Over 1000 replies. Good job guys! On point as usual and it's not even closed yet. We should all get cookies.

All I'm saying is, If I don't get my coffee soon.... I' may just close it out of spite...

[thePill]

Well, Ford has heard the Nurburgring challenge (and the Al O letter).... they are leaving it to the Mustang fans to decide how it should go down. Ford is asking via Facebook...

[SRT8Tech]

I would still pick the ZL1 over the GT500 anyday. Ive always been a Chevy fan and still am. My first car was a 71 Camaro.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

I would still pick the ZL1 over the GT500 anyday. Ive always been a Chevy fan and still am. My first car was a 71 Camaro.

My first race car was a 3rd Gen...

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by SSE 4 2SS

Scroll to the top of the page and look to the upper left border... This is Camaro5, which is a privately owned site... It was opened for and by Camaro enthusiasts.

If you want to come in and civily talk about the merits of Ford or Chrysler or any other manufacturer, you are more than welcome... but there will be no outright bashing of the Camaro without repurcussions. Thats the nature of a CAMARO privately owned and operated site.

The Camaro bashing serves to only start arguments... and if you wish to resolve those, do it on the track... This keyboard commado bickering will not be tolerated... by Camaro owners or by owners of other brands... If Camaro owners instigate arguments when you're civily discussing other brands, they will be dealt with as well...

(don't think anyone could say it any better)

Originally Posted by Deki

On the Mustang forum, the GT500 thread is only 6 pages. Why the hell is it 39 pages here on a Camaro forum? Both of these cars will appeal to certain buyers, and both have their pros and cons. If I had the money, I'd have one of each.

Anywho, not to thread jack, HufferSS, that is a menacing car and an amazing build

The way I see it...Mustang fans simply aren't like Camaro enthusiasts...I hate to say it. Well, I obviously can't lot ALL Stang fans cumulatively and make that statement. But, the majority of Mustang enthusiasts just aren't like the Camaro enthusiasts. We have 35 people just shy of 54,000 members. Watch...we'll hit 54k by midnight. With that many people and with the enthusiasm and excitement they have for the Camaro, they talk. We are busy. We are especially busy right after a double announcement of simply astronomical proportions. Sh!t.... When did anyone ever think these two automakers would be offering for sale such BEASTS as these! It's an amazing time...and I'm happy to be here!

And....FWIW, I'd said it many times before.

I have nothing against the Mustang. the 93 Cobra is my fav of all time....LOVE that fox body....dayum! My old room mate had two of them...and I drove the sh!t out of both!

(reminder note to owner of fast cars....don't let the 20 year old go pick up your Cobra from the alarm company to bring it to you at work....it might not get there for a few hours! And it might not have that full tank of gas either! HA! ...good times, man...good times...)

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

All I'm saying is, If I don't get my coffee soon.... I' may just close it out of spite...

RUH ROH.....

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by thePill

Well, Ford has heard the Nurburgring challenge (and the Al O letter).... they are leaving it to the Mustang fans to decide how it should go down. Ford is asking via Facebook...

Dude...could you imagine how bad ass that would be!



I don't care who you are (not you personally, Pill...just generally)....a showdown like that would hit EVERY magazine....TONS of motor enthusiast shows... That would be news that spreads like wildfire! EVERYONE would be there!



Do you have the link to the FB?? I want to see this...

[serpent]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Really, they make exhaust mounted turbos?! NO WAY!

What I meant to say was that the turbos are mounted all the way in the back closer to the muffler, compared to sse 4 2ss's which are mounted closer to the engine.
Thanks for clearing up the question though. Anyone else know how these rear mounted turbos are more efficient? Non douche bag responses appreciated!

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by serpent

What I meant to say was that the turbos are mounted all the way in the back closer to the muffler, compared to sse 4 2ss's which are mounted closer to the engine.
Thanks for clearing up the question though. Anyone else know how these rear mounted turbos are more efficient? Non douche bag responses appreciated!

As far as efficiency compared to a N/A car, then probably so, especially cruising down the highway... I do know the STS systems make a ton of power, but there is a bit of lag compared to manifold or top mounted systems... simple physics determine this...

I'll try to find another member, he and I discussed this very situation, and he has an STS system on this Silverado... Gotta scratch my brain now and remember who it is...

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Dude...could you imagine how bad ass that would be!



I don't care who you are (not you personally, Pill...just generally)....a showdown like that would hit EVERY magazine....TONS of motor enthusiast shows... That would be news that spreads like wildfire! EVERYONE would be there!



Do you have the link to the FB?? I want to see this...

Ford is in a no-win situation.....if they accept the challenge then let's face it, they probably lose and if they don't accept then they look like chickens.

The Chevy guy that threw that down better hope the shoe is never on the other foot but it was a stroke of genius on his part......if I were Ford, I would counter with a challenge....a trip around the Ring.....a Top Speed Challenge.....and a best of 5 1/4 mile show down.

Don't give the Ford guys my idea.....because they weren't bright enough to think of it so they should get their ass spanked at the Ring but that is what I would do. I'd serve up Chevrolet a dose of humble pie real quick and get them backpedaling instead.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Dude...could you imagine how bad ass that would be!



I don't care who you are (not you personally, Pill...just generally)....a showdown like that would hit EVERY magazine....TONS of motor enthusiast shows... That would be news that spreads like wildfire! EVERYONE would be there!



Do you have the link to the FB?? I want to see this...

Chevy and Ford did something similar in the late 90's, I don't think there was a real winner (just the fans)... You have to "like" the FB page to see the link, Ford is asking how "their fans" would respond... It is mostly fan nonsense after that though.. it is Facebook... I personally would pay $30-$60 dollars for a Pay-Per-View right now... If I had to wait until spring, I would probably pay more...

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Ford is in a no-win situation.....if they accept the challenge then let's face it, they probably lose and if they don't accept then they look like chickens.

The Chevy guy that threw that down better hope the shoe is never on the other foot but it was a stroke of genius on his part......if I were Ford, I would counter with a challenge....a trip around the Ring.....a Top Speed Challenge.....and a best of 5 1/4 mile show down.

Don't give the Ford guys my idea.....because they weren't bright enough to think of it so they should get their ass spanked at the Ring but that is what I would do. I'd serve up Chevrolet a dose of humble pie real quick and get them backpedaling instead.

I wouldn't worry about the Terminators Ring time, I seen the mule run, however... there were things on the car that won't be production... Like drilled rotors. The Red mule that was running was benchmarking the GTR's time and.. from what we seen, it got pretty close.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by thePill

I wouldn't worry about the Terminators Ring time, I seen the mule run, however... there were things on the car that won't be production... Like drilled rotors. The Red mule that was running was benchmarking the GTR's time and.. from what we seen, it got pretty close.

I am not worried about it either way....because I don't really care.....but of course is should be production car vs production car. I doubt the ZL1 guys have much fear if they threw out a challenge like that which could be a giant shit flavored pie really quickly if they lost.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

I am not worried about it either way....because I don't really care.....but of course is should be production car vs production car. I doubt the ZL1 guys have much fear if they threw out a challenge like that which could be a giant shit flavored pie really quickly if they lost.

Chevy and Ford will never run a "production" car around the ring when it comes to the ZL1 or the GT500. They will always have a cage in them. Makes quite a bit of difference. I'm with you on the heads up though. Run them 0-60, 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, 1 mile, 150-0, 100-0, 70-0, slalom, figure 8, lane change, then do a lap around some local tracks here. A car comparo should not be done on a 13 mile track.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

I am not worried about it either way....because I don't really care.....but of course is should be production car vs production car. I doubt the ZL1 guys have much fear if they threw out a challenge like that which could be a giant shit flavored pie really quickly if they lost.

Neither the GT500 or the ZL1 was a production car during Nurburgring tuning. In all honesty, GM has nothing to lose and everything to gain. The media has already tilted heavily towards the GT500 and from a marketing stand point, that is what was really lost here. Ford has been saving their bullets until GM got close enough to hit. Chevy has been firing blindly at an unknown target since February.. firing slowly and methodically but firing way too many shots before they knew what to shoot at. Now, the next coming months, Ford will release (in a similar fashion Chevy did) info to keep interest in the product.

What if Ford immediately challenged Chevrolet to a race in February, with a '12 GT500 and the ZL1 still in testing... Do you think GM would have accepted? The number crunchers from Chevy have no doubt come to the conclusion that 0-60 and the 1/4 mile is out of the question. Lets race at Nurburgring, not Willow, not Laguna, not VIR or Barber... Lets race at a track, a half a world away in the middle of winter. If they keep pressing the issue, they could very well get a race from Ford at the Ring, in the spring. Nurburgring is the best place to do so, there will be absolutely no 3rd party interference unless the magazines pay their own way. The magazines will put these two head to head for free, and.. probably make a lot of money from it.

After the "challenge" was put out, I been on the lookout for follow ups. Only two sources covered the story, the original source (Detroit News) and the secondary (Jalopnik). For such a huge challenge and the lack of interest via the media, I am beginning to think that the challenge was more of a personal challenge from said marketer... Possibly in response to having his interview time bombarded with GT500 remarks. Not sure if GM had previously approved a "super challenge" prior to his comments and this is where media along with unsanctioned personal remarks can get you in trouble.

Just a thought....

[Blue Maro Demon]

Originally Posted by thePill

Well, Ford has heard the Nurburgring challenge (and the Al O letter).... they are leaving it to the Mustang fans to decide how it should go down. Ford is asking via Facebook...

Whats funny is that the Camaro is the most popular car on all of Facebook with over 2-million likes. They just came out with a new Camaro shirt that says 2 million strong I just ordered it.