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[gitRdone]

Hey Chance03, i have the hide-away plate on my car, will show you what it looks like when we have a meet to see if you like. Mine is manual pull out and Ted up in fort collins has the automatic one.

[AquaRSSS]

Originally Posted by Blue70SS

So who all is planning on attending the C5Fest at Lucas Oil Raceway in Indianapolis?


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172123

Me!! Road trip...convoy!!!
Already booked 2 rooms at two diff. hotels...cause they are taking WAY too damn long to make those arrangements and announce them. How long does it take to call a hotel and ask if they can handle us?

[steelrfan]

Originally Posted by Blue70SS

So who all is planning on attending the C5Fest at Lucas Oil Raceway in Indianapolis?


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172123

I'm on the list but as I've been thinking about it more I would need to take a whole week off if not more and I'm not sure I want to do that. Plus I want to do the Sturgis trip and I don't think I can swing 2 trips so close together. I'm thinking it's going to be Sturgis for me this year and C5Fest if/when it is closer to home

[pumpkinrancho]

I think were going to go. Uggh Indy in August who thought that was good. What happened to April?

[angelicsowner]

Originally Posted by Icntdrv55

HAHA you arent singling me out. I drive my car just about every day with PIRELLI's on it! Beat that!

Snow tires....I dont need no stinkin snow tires!!

No you just need some strangers driveway to park it in when you slide down the hill...

[Commit and Conquer]

Originally Posted by brads 1ss

How is the car running ? I bet it can be a handfull at times . You need to check FB and check out the Sturgis Camaro Rally and the end of June , alot of people are planning on going . Your car would be a great addition to the trip .

Brad sounds like fun may try to make that...!

Originally Posted by Hulk

Long time no post my fellow Southern Colorado Camaro owner. The local vette club has been trying to get me and some other Camaro owners to meet up with them. The also have a few mopars an mustangs that are showing up. 1st Monday of the month at 7pm and a few other times at random. I am sure that silver bullet vette eater of yours would be a hit.

I'll have to join you soon. Clint has the car right now I upgraded the lifters and intake valves. Car was running great but had some ticking noise. We thought it might be a lifter so we swapped them out with Lunati's. Turns out we spun a rod bearing. We think the oil I was running was too thin. While we are in there I;m going to upgrade the crank and or stroke it to a 418, not sure yet. I would probably just upgrade to a Dragonslayer crank for stock cubes but they are 12 weeks out at Callies so impatiently I may just go 418...

[Clint@A.I.R.]

^^ Yep got Joes car. #1 rod Bearing didn't spin but was on it's way, was down to the copper, got hot. Didn't have a problem till we switched to full synthetic. He's under warranty told him I'll take care of it. Course now we have been talking and were thinking of going even bigger. But it's up to Joe

[Clint@A.I.R.]

Here's an engine shots of the latest Project !!



Shooting for 1100 RWHP blower only Then 100 to 150 Shot N20 on top...

.434 LSX Block.
Procharger F1-R Boost we will hit = unknown
Twin Tial 50mm BOV's
Custom Katech Flip drive system, and Direct drive 10 rib belt to blower.
All other Systems upgraded to handle this power.


I really want to do this on a 5th gen Camaro !!!

[wontsellit]

Took my Harley to Indy back in 02 for the Nationals.5 full days of Nitro.Super Bowl oh NHRA. That would only be the reason to go back there.

[2010 SS RS]

Originally Posted by Commit and Conquer

Brad sounds like fun may try to make that...!



I'll have to join you soon. Clint has the car right now I upgraded the lifters and intake valves. Car was running great but had some ticking noise. We thought it might be a lifter so we swapped them out with Lunati's. Turns out we spun a rod bearing. We think the oil I was running was too thin. While we are in there I;m going to upgrade the crank and or stroke it to a 418, not sure yet. I would probably just upgrade to a Dragonslayer crank for stock cubes but they are 12 weeks out at Callies so impatiently I may just go 418...

Joe, oil starvation is the most likely cause for a bearing to fail. Synthetic oil would not be the issue in my opinion as long as your oil pressure stayed up ok. You can lose lubrication by loss of pressure which can be caused by a number of things, bad oil pump, oil pressure regulator failed, clogged oil passages etc. During high G off camber driving it is possible for the oil to slosh away from the pickup in the oilpan. Not exactly sure where it is located in our oil pans to be honest. But this has been an issue in many other engines. It will be hard to simulate in a shop which makes the diagnosis very hard. Make sure you guys get to the bottom of what caused the problem rather than just replacing parts or your new build will have the same problem. To tight would also cause problems but I would think that would have shown up in other ways much sooner. Heck.. I feel for you Bro... Take care and good luck.

[Clint@A.I.R.]

^^ Larry good post, I agree oil starve at high rpms is most likely what happened..

Motor is completely apart, #1 Rod bearing is down to the copper which is the last one to receive oil I believe in LS type motors. Other bearings shows sign of premature wear naturally. Based off the wear pattern of the mains, and analyzing thrust angle, were seeing A TON of load with this setup. More so that we thought we would. 12 psi of boost at 1500 rpms, 17psi of boost at a mere 2500 rpms, the engine is seeing upwards of 900+ TQ below 3000 rpms, on a 4300LB Camaro, this little 377 w/stock Crank was saying ahhhhhhh Again going into this setup there were a few unknowns, did know we would hit this type of power this low in the rpms. Stock cranks are known to handle over 1000 HP, but I’m not sure if they can take the abuse of this much load and TQ in the lower rpms.

First 1500 miles engine performed flawless, when we switched up to 5w30 full Syn, shortly after a few hundred miles, started to get a little knock on full warm-up, we feel with his much power/Load and rpms we had oil bleed off from the rings, or visiocty breakdown with the thinner oil. Also thinker oil helps alot with windage, and with this much boost / rpm could have helped the issue.

Oil pressure never had an issue there, however pressure was not tested at 6000 rpms. We are switching up to a standard pressure "high Flow" Oil pump, VS High Pressure pump. The high pressure pumps have a smaller diaphragm and actually could hurt oil flow at high rpms.

In all, car should be back on the street in the next few weeks, and which ever way we go shes a beast, and I'm going to talk Joe into track time this year

Clint

PS engine was clean upon teardown, again we caught any bearing failure early. Oil pickup on bottom of pan is a pretty efficent setup, block skirts were machined for easier oil runoff to return to pan. Were going to make sure oil starve will be a zero issue.

[Commit and Conquer]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS RS

Joe, oil starvation is the most likely cause for a bearing to fail. Synthetic oil would not be the issue in my opinion as long as your oil pressure stayed up ok. You can lose lubrication by loss of pressure which can be caused by a number of things, bad oil pump, oil pressure regulator failed, clogged oil passages etc. During high G off camber driving it is possible for the oil to slosh away from the pickup in the oilpan. Not exactly sure where it is located in our oil pans to be honest. But this has been an issue in many other engines. It will be hard to simulate in a shop which makes the diagnosis very hard. Make sure you guys get to the bottom of what caused the problem rather than just replacing parts or your new build will have the same problem. To tight would also cause problems but I would think that would have shown up in other ways much sooner. Heck.. I feel for you Bro... Take care and good luck.

Larry, thanks for the input. Clint and I are talking about these things to make sure we take care of the issue pre build. I'm just glad Clint has warranty on his builds. He came down to Pueblo and trailered my car to AIR and is taking care of the problem. Huge relief! I hope all is well Larry. Did you sell the car?

Originally Posted by Clint@A.I.R.

^^ Larry good post, I agree oil starve at high rpms is most likely what happened..

Motor is completely apart, #1 Rod bearing is down to the copper which is the last one to receive oil I believe in LS type motors. Other bearings shows sign of premature wear naturally. Based off the wear pattern of the mains, and analyzing thrust angle, were seeing A TON of load with this setup. More so that we thought we would. 12 psi of boost at 1500 rpms, 17psi of boost at a mere 2500 rpms, the engine is seeing upwards of 900+ TQ below 3000 rpms, on a 4300LB Camaro, this little 377 w/stock Crank was saying ahhhhhhh Again going into this setup there were a few unknowns, did know we would hit this type of power this low in the rpms. Stock cranks are known to handle over 1000 HP, but I’m not sure if they can take the abuse of this much load and TQ in the lower rpms.

First 1500 miles engine performed flawless, when we switched up to 5w30 full Syn, shortly after a few hundred miles, started to get a little knock on full warm-up, we feel with his much power/Load and rpms we had oil bleed off from the rings, or visiocty breakdown with the thinner oil. Also thinker oil helps alot with windage, and with this much boost / rpm could have helped the issue.

Oil pressure never had an issue there, however pressure was not tested at 6000 rpms. We are switching up to a standard pressure "high Flow" Oil pump, VS High Pressure pump. The high pressure pumps have a smaller diaphragm and actually could hurt oil flow at high rpms.

In all, car should be back on the street in the next few weeks, and which ever way we go shes a beast, and I'm going to talk Joe into track time this year

Clint

PS engine was clean upon teardown, again we caught any bearing failure early. Oil pickup on bottom of pan is a pretty efficent setup, block skirts were machined for easier oil runoff to return to pan. Were going to make sure oil starve will be a zero issue.

Really leaning toward the 418 stroker since we have it torn apart. It is so hard to get an aftermarket crank for the stock stroke and the cost to do it is minimal. And what the hell might as well get a little more torq

[Blue70SS]

Originally Posted by Commit and Conquer

Larry, thanks for the input. Clint and I are talking about these things to make sure we take care of the issue pre build. I'm just glad Clint has warranty on his builds. He came down to Pueblo and trailered my car to AIR and is taking care of the problem. Huge relief! I hope all is well Larry. Did you sell the car?





Really leaning toward the 418 stroker since we have it torn apart. It is so hard to get an aftermarket crank for the stock stroke and the cost to do it is minimal. And what the hell might as well get a little more torq

FYI, I've seen a little more chat about oil wieghts lately. LPE won't warrany their engines unless Mobil 1 15W-50 is used during normal temp months. I think it has zinc that the other oils don't have if I remember right. I'd go for the stroker if I were you.....

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...AQs.aspx#FAQs8

[wontsellit]

I think I'll just stick with my mostly stock engine....thank you very much!