Now the tests out, ZL1 over hyped

[radz28]

Originally Posted by den318

ZR1 meet $110,000. The ZR1 better destroy any Mustang at the price. It's like me saying my brother can beat up your brother. I can't beat you, so meet my brother.

When Ford can make a Mustang, or other car that can surpass 'Vette, let alone still be in the same price bracket as ZL1, then there's something to talk about, IMO.

Still - I don't want to see a Moustang outrun CAMARO

[BiggFoot]

Originally Posted by mr_desmo

when a little cayman r with all 330hp 3.4 liter 6 cylinder run 12.5 and a 580hp car run 12.6 you have to think its a da.. waste....13mpg....

They either had Whistler's mother driving the ZL1 to a 12.6 or some sort of terrible weather/track conditions.

OP is certainly entitled to his opinion . . . even if it IS flawed

[Obzen]

Originally Posted by radz28

When Ford can make a Mustang, or other car that can surpass 'Vette, let alone still be in the same price bracket as ZL1, then there's something to talk about, IMO.

Still - I don't want to see a Moustang outrun CAMARO

um....what?

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

If you wanted a 1/4 mile brawler.. You picked the wrong car.. It's simply not set up for that as a primary focus.

+1 If drag racing is all you want get a cheap 4th gen and use the extra $50,000 on engine and drivetrain.

[den318]

Originally Posted by radz28

When Ford can make a Mustang, or other car that can surpass 'Vette, let alone still be in the same price bracket as ZL1, then there's something to talk about, IMO.

Still - I don't want to see a Moustang outrun CAMARO

If you don't want a Moustang/Rustang to outrun a Camaro, then you better tell Chevy to up the HP or lose the weight. The ZL1 is one of the slowest 580HP car in the quarter miles.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by den318

If you don't want a Moustang/Rustang to outrun a Camaro, then you better tell Chevy to up the HP or lose the weight. The ZL1 is one of the slowest 580HP car in the quarter miles.

If these runs were on a cold dusty track, there's nothing for me to worry about. Still - I want the best performance possible. It all comes down to a balancing act though...

[den318]

Originally Posted by radz28

If these runs were on a cold dusty track, there's nothing for me to worry about. Still - I want the best performance possible. It all comes down to a balancing act though...

Those run were also by a PRO Randy P. If he can only pull out a 12.1, what can an avg joe do? If anything, the magazine test confirmed what Chevy already posted. The ZL1 is a 4 sec 0-60/12s car. It got great handling, but straight line speed is a little lacking. The ZL1 should strike fear when you see it on the street, but it's not.

Motor trend actually got the BEST performance number out of all the magazines now. The other magazines are even worst.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by den318

Those run were also by a PRO Randy P. If he can only pull out a 12.1, what can an avg joe do? If anything, the magazine test confirmed what Chevy already posted. The ZL1 is a 4 sec 0-60/12s car. It got great handling, but straight line speed is a little lacking. The ZL1 should strike fear when you see it on the street, but it's not.

Because a PRO track driver is not the same as a PRO drag race driver. When I see a run by someone like Evan Smith run only a low-12, then I might find some disappointment (and not even that much, honestly), but until then, and until I know the conditions the test was under, I will reserve judgment. I wouldn't say it's straight line acceleration is lacking in any way either.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by den318

Those run were also by a PRO Randy P. If he can only pull out a 12.1, what can an avg joe do? If anything, the magazine test confirmed what Chevy already posted. The ZL1 is a 4 sec 0-60/12s car. It got great handling, but straight line speed is a little lacking. The ZL1 should strike fear when you see it on the street, but it's not.

No matter how you slice is, the ZL1 is impressive for a 4k+ pound car. It is a good car to start with if one wants to go even faster.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

No matter how you slice is, the ZL1 is impressive for a 4k+ pound car. It is a good car to start with if one wants to go even faster.

BINGO!!! Considering it has a drivetrain that can stand up to 600 launches, it makes up for a little of that weight. Still - it's a car that you can drive all day, nearly anywhere, and you don't have special keys or splitters you have to pull off to be street legal.

It will certainly be interesting to see how it would fair against the LS AT LS! I'm also eager to see what the GT500 will bring to the table.

[Toyaholic]

Everybody want to compare the ZL1 to the new GT-500. What will they compare the ZR1 too? Ford has nothing for the Vette, if the 500 is a Camaro fighter.

[htron50]

The MT pro driver said the 302 was beating him to death and depriving him of the confidence the ZL1 gave to him. The numbers backed it up. The other thing we should consider is that we KNOW Ford was trying to deliver a knock out punch with the 302. Trouble is, GM didn't come with what they expected. So, some may say that Ford is always beating GM to the punch., but with these results, I'd say NOT!

I love what the tester in the MT article said about the two cars:

The Camaro clearly came out on top of this fight. Although the Boss 302 is probably the best Mustang ever built, it just feels and performs like it's a generation behind. Randy summed it up: "The Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca was my favorite American musclecar -- until today." It isn't the lack of power; it isn't the lack of amenities. It's simply a lack of technology. The Camaro is the benchmark for a new class of vehicle. Call it the Power Pony, the Warhorse -- the name isn't important. What is important is ZL1's on-demand attitude. Supercar levels of performance, with the daily driving comfort of a GT, wrapped in a nostalgic package.

GM did great on this. We KNOW they are coming with a 650HP "piece" soon. It might help them. What I am wondering about now, is "what" will GM actually do if they come with the Z28? That's for the other forum. But...it does show they have some good numbers to match from the Stang. I know this... the ZL1 OVER DELIVERED.

[den318]

Originally Posted by Toyaholic

Everybody want to compare the ZL1 to the new GT-500. What will they compare the ZR1 too? Ford has nothing for the Vette, if the 500 is a Camaro fighter.

I am sure some magazine will pit the 13 Gt500 against a ZR1 this summer. Does anyone expect the ZR1 to lose at twice the cost of the GT500? If the GT500 can hang with the ZR1, it will be a miracle.

[bada]

Originally Posted by den318

I am sure some magazine will pit the 13 Gt500 against a ZR1 this summer. Does anyone expect the ZR1 to lose at twice the cost of the GT500? If the GT500 can hang with the ZR1, it will be a miracle.

The GTR kicked the ZR1s butt.