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MauriSSio · 01-22-2012, 12:04 AM

the pony car segment really upped the ante as a whole!! id like to see a comeback of muscle cars in the near future (bigger/midsize car w/top line engine) to compete with them! The Charger is the only one that really comes to mind.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-22-2012, 12:05 AM

Hello all..... Sheriff's back in town.

Can I ask somebody to explain how in the heck anyone can say the ZL1's been over-hyped with a straight-face???

If some are getting hung-up on the Boss Comparison...consider something (if you haven't already)

Boss LS= Ford's "Best Mustang" as attributed by the same people reviewing the ZL1. It's as fast or faster than the current GT500 around road-courses.

ZL1 = Chevy's advertised track-car Camaro.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU COMPARE THE TWO?!?!

And how many people (even Camaro fans) assumed the Z wouldn't be able to outrun a Boss Laguna Seca on a track? hmmm...but it did...

Sorry -- I don't buy it. ZL1 was adequately hyped, imvho.

JusticePete · 01-22-2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

i dont get it, how are you going to say you work with these cars as extensively as you do and that youre unbiased but then go list the curb weight listed on a web site and not actual measured weight people have been getting? its obvious there was a typo on the website.

It may be obvious to some, but it was readily available information to me. At Pedders our work ranges from the American Muscle to police fleet to armored to military vehicles. My recall on certain numbers may be faulty, so I use OEM websites for the most up to date information when I am on a forum in an attempt to be as accurate and fair as possible.

As I wrote earlier, the details don't really matter. What matters are head to head comparisons of the Mustang Boss and GT500. Forget about the Camaro. If there isn't a big difference between the boss and GT500 on track, and the consensus is there isn't, then adding more HP isn't the answer, is it?

MauriSSio · 01-22-2012, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Hello all..... Sheriff's back in town.

Can I ask somebody to explain how in the heck anyone can say the ZL1's been over-hyped with a straight-face???

If some are getting hung-up on the Boss Comparison...consider something (if you haven't already)

Boss LS= Ford's "Best Mustang" as attributed by the same people reviewing the ZL1. It's as fast or faster than the current GT500 around road-courses.

ZL1 = Chevy's advertised track-car Camaro.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU COMPARE THE TWO?!?!

And how many people (even Camaro fans) assumed the Z wouldn't be able to outrun a Boss Laguna Seca on a track? hmmm...but it did...

Sorry -- I don't buy it. ZL1 was adequately hyped, imvho.

i see the boss at #14.with the zl1 down at 23 or 24 with the z06. Looks like it just needed a better driver

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html

LOWDOWN · 01-22-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

It may be obvious to some, but it was readily available information to me. At Pedders our work ranges from the American Muscle to police fleet to armored to military vehicles. My recall on certain numbers may be faulty, so I use OEM websites for the most up to date information when I am on a forum in an attempt to be as accurate and fair as possible.

As I wrote earlier, the details don't really matter. What matters are head to head comparisons of the Mustang Boss and GT500. Forget about the Camaro. If there isn't a big difference between the boss and GT500 on track, and the consensus is there isn't, then adding more HP isn't the answer, is it?

You heard the Sheriff...now move along; nothing more to see here...

MauriSSio · 01-22-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

It may be obvious to some, but it was readily available information to me. At Pedders our work ranges from the American Muscle to police fleet to armored to military vehicles. My recall on certain numbers may be faulty, so I use OEM websites for the most up to date information when I am on a forum in an attempt to be as accurate and fair as possible.

fair enough. those numbers arent really that important anyways.

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

As I wrote earlier, the details don't really matter. What matters are head to head comparisons of the Mustang Boss and GT500. Forget about the Camaro. If there isn't a big difference between the boss and GT500 on track, and the consensus is there isn't, then adding more HP isn't the answer, is it?

adding more HP certainly isnt the answer, but lets see what the engineers came up with. Im sure theyre throwing a lot of "hope" at it too LOL

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-22-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

i see the boss at #14.with the zl1 down at 23 or 24 with the z06. Looks like it just needed a better driver

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html

I wasn't aware that the ZL1 has taken a lap around the Laguna Seca track...I don't think it has.

1:41 was the time around the Inde Motorsports track. I double-checked...it would seem that website is inaccurate.

MauriSSio · 01-22-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I wasn't aware that the ZL1 has taken a lap around the Laguna Seca track...I don't think it has.

1:41 was the time around the Inde Motorsports track. I double-checked...it would seem that website is inaccurate.

i see. i wasnt sure either. i guess thats that!

Uneducated Guess · 01-22-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

i see. i wasnt sure either. i guess thats that!

could it be an SLP ZL1's time?

JusticePete · 01-22-2012, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

...adding more HP certainly isnt the answer, but lets see what the engineers came up with. Im sure theyre throwing a lot of "hope" at it too LOL

There is a writer at the Chicago Tribune by the name of John Kass. He coined the phrase hopium for his political cometary. Hopium applies to a lot of things in government, business and in life. John is Greek. He probably came up with it under the influence of uozo, but that would be a different story.

A Z06 will shred tires at almost any speed and the ZR1 more so. Anyone that has a chance to drive a ZR1 with the stability and traction control off will understand why I am skeptical of a 650 HP Mustang being faster than a BOSS on a road course. Sideways is not the fast way around the track.

Why stop at 650, why not a 1,000 or more? Making HP is one thing. Putting it down is another. This isn't a slap at Ford or the Mustang. It is the rear tire contact patch slapping us in the face with a dose of reality.

I am on hopium. I still think Chevy will deliver a Z/28 5th Gen and that is definitely a different thread.

n2oSS · 01-22-2012, 02:08 AM

wow what a thread.

I do agree the zl1 hasn't lived up to hype with what we know thus far, but what ever does. Too me gm hasn't fixed the main problem for a track car and thats weight. For 54k is the zl1 a good deal? Sure i guess it is and a ferarri for its 150k+ is a good deal to some car buyers as well. Depends on how much money ya have and how much ya wanna blow it.

Took a boosted track car against a n/a track car. Throw a s/c on that boss and i bet that'd be a fun head to head comparison. This would show us how much gm's theories do against fords imo.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-22-2012, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by n2oSS

wow what a thread.

I do agree the zl1 hasn't lived up to hype with what we know thus far, but what ever does.

Care to elaborate?

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Originally Posted by n2oSS

Too me gm hasn't fixed the main problem for a track car and thats weight.

And yet...it flies around the track with seemingly as much or more prowess as any other performance-oriented car in the segment. Could it be better if it were lighter? Absolutely...but I fail to see the "problem"....

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Originally Posted by n2oSS

Throw a s/c on that boss and i bet that'd be a fun head to head comparison. This would show us how much gm's theories do against fords imo.

What are "GM's theories".....and what are Fords?

n2oSS · 01-22-2012, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Care to elaborate?

And yet...it flies around the track with seemingly as much or more prowess as any other performance-oriented car in the segment. Could it be better if it were lighter? Absolutely...but I fail to see the "problem"....

What are "GM's theories".....and what are Fords?

I'm sure you can figure out the idea behind the post with out me repeating details already discussed in this thread as well as others.

I'm just merely putting my vote in for the zl1 is looking like its not all its hyped up to be.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-22-2012, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by n2oSS

I'm sure you can figure out the idea behind the post with out me repeating details already discussed in this thread as well as others.

I'm just merely putting my vote in for the zl1 is looking like its not all its hyped up to be.

But I can't. Or else I wouldn't have asked....

I could read the entire thread over and assume what you meant...but I thought it better to ask directly so I don't "ass-ume" incorrectly...

01-22-2012, 12:05 AM	#450
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Hello all..... Sheriff's back in town. Can I ask somebody to explain how in the heck anyone can say the ZL1's been over-hyped with a straight-face??? If some are getting hung-up on the Boss Comparison...consider something (if you haven't already) Boss LS= Ford's "Best Mustang" as attributed by the same people reviewing the ZL1. It's as fast or faster than the current GT500 around road-courses. ZL1 = Chevy's advertised track-car Camaro. WHY WOULDN'T YOU COMPARE THE TWO?!?! And how many people (even Camaro fans) assumed the Z wouldn't be able to outrun a Boss Laguna Seca on a track? hmmm...but it did... Sorry -- I don't buy it. ZL1 was adequately hyped, imvho. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

01-22-2012, 02:08 AM	#459
n2oSS Drives: 2010 SS2 Camaro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 434 View My Garage	wow what a thread. I do agree the zl1 hasn't lived up to hype with what we know thus far, but what ever does. Too me gm hasn't fixed the main problem for a track car and thats weight. For 54k is the zl1 a good deal? Sure i guess it is and a ferarri for its 150k+ is a good deal to some car buyers as well. Depends on how much money ya have and how much ya wanna blow it. Took a boosted track car against a n/a track car. Throw a s/c on that boss and i bet that'd be a fun head to head comparison. This would show us how much gm's theories do against fords imo. __________________ Mods: Dynatech Headers, High flow cats, MSD 8.5 wires, magnaflow bullits, Halltech intake, SCT tuner, maggie tvs 2300, Jannetty Tune, BMR driveshaft safety loop, Pfadt drop springs, Pfadt rear trailing arms, Pfadt rear tie rod, ACT Twin Disc Clutch, DSS Aluminum Driveshaft. Appearance Mods: AAC Concept Sidemarkers, P13W Plasma LED Bulbs, Iforged Classics 20". Next Mods: Cam and Fuel System.

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01-22-2012, 12:04 AM	#449
MauriSSio Banned Drives: 1968 Ford Galaxie Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Jose Posts: 630	the pony car segment really upped the ante as a whole!! id like to see a comeback of muscle cars in the near future (bigger/midsize car w/top line engine) to compete with them! The Charger is the only one that really comes to mind.