Shno's House of Z

[2cnd chance]

Sad thing is I know the guy is wrong, but I can't put it into a simple explanation.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Sad thing is I know the guy is wrong, but I can't put it into a simple explanation.

Oh? PM me a link?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

So, 3......If this is all standard knowledge...why is it that some cars (coughmustangcough) pale in comparison to others? Is it cost? Lack of expertise? Intentional Compromises to achieve other goals?

It is cost, engineering compromises for styling and or features. Simply put if you want to have a vert, it's less rigid. You can't cut the top off the box and get the same result.

Or you can do like the Corvette and start with a structure so good that when you put a targa or vert on it, it simply is indistinguishable. I think the vette is less than a 1 Hz difference coupe to convertible.

Look at the underbody of the Camaro convertible. Those braces are a big part of the weight. But if you didn't allow for space for those braces in the original design, you are "stuck".

Not so much a lack of expertise. You just have to make compromises for cost, mass, investment and packaging space. If you have the $$$ then you can add unobtanium braces which are miraculously infinitely stiff. But if you din't allow the space for the bracing or the optimal points on the body to attach them you get a less than optimal solution.

But from experience, you are better off planning for a convertible from the begining than to try to do it after the fact.

As I recall, we started the Corvette C6 from the XLR which was a convertible. Made doing the coupe way easy.

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Sad thing is I know the guy is wrong, but I can't put it into a simple explanation.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Oh? PM me a link?

Us peons..hand slap..hand slap.. get in trouble for stirring the pot on other forums.

Joe,... DON"T DO IT!

What the hell, go ahead!

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Sad thing is I know the guy is wrong, but I can't put it into a simple explanation.

Run both cars at 30 MPH straight into each other. The winner is the driver that walks away

Why bother with them? To settle down a Mustang monocoque we use a strut tower bar, an adjustable just behind the engine tubular brace to replace the flimsy stamped OE brace, we replace the flimsy stamped sheet metal rear chassis brace with a rectangular 20x10mm brace, we replace the panhard bar, the third arm and the third arm mount.

Let me see what do we have to do to a 5th Gen Camaro monocoque...... oh yeah, I remember now. NOTHING. We don't replace any arms. We don't add any braces. We put in coilovers, sways, bushes and run it.

For whatever reason, so many in the press and in the Muscle Car world just don't get it. The Mustang is a limp dictionary. Can we make it run with a Camaro, you all know that story, but we are beating our heads against a brick wall if we think we are going to get people outside this forum to understand the Mustang is not a Camaro off the showroom floor.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Number 3

It is cost, engineering compromises for styling and or features. Simply put if you want to have a vert, it's less rigid. You can't cut the top off the box and get the same result.

Or you can do like the Corvette and start with a structure so good that when you put a targa or vert on it, it simply is indistinguishable. I think the vette is less than a 1 Hz difference coupe to convertible.

Look at the underbody of the Camaro convertible. Those braces are a big part of the weight. But if you didn't allow for space for those braces in the original design, you are "stuck".

Not so much a lack of expertise. You just have to make compromises for cost, mass, investment and packaging space. If you have the $$$ then you can add unobtanium braces which are miraculously infinitely stiff. But if you din't allow the space for the bracing or the optimal points on the body to attach them you get a less than optimal solution.

But from experience, you are better off planning for a convertible from the begining than to try to do it after the fact.

As I recall, we started the Corvette C6 from the XLR which was a convertible. Made doing the coupe way easy.

Very interesting. Sooo...ALL cars from now on should start life as convertibles.

Thanks for sharing, 3. Always a pleasure to read your posts!

Originally Posted by Gramps69Z

Us peons..hand slap..hand slap.. get in trouble for stirring the pot on other forums.

Joe,... DON"T DO IT!

What the hell, go ahead!

WHhhhaaaaatt?

I'd never do anything to stir the pot....

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'd never do anything to stir the pot....

Hey, that is my line.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Hey, that is my line.

Great minds....cook alike?

[2cnd chance]

This thread is like...uh...um...addicting. I guess I should go to bed now, it's late.

[Fightinfire921]

On my 69, other than installing subframe connectors is there a way to keep the A-posts from cracking at the top?
I heard there's a suspension specialist that hangs out in this forum that gives good advise on Camaro's and better advise on Mustang's.

[2cnd chance]

watch out he's a pot stirrer

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Gramps69Z

Us peons..hand slap..hand slap.. get in trouble for stirring the pot on other forums.

Joe,... DON"T DO IT!

What the hell, go ahead!

...do it....send him the link....Joe can Dance the Dance with the best of 'em....a true professional....

[boxmonkeyracing]

Well today I visited a dealer and walked away with this


2SS/RS vert manual hurst

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

Well today I visited a dealer and walked away with this


2SS/RS vert manual hurst

Duuuuuude that is sweet. But if you are going to the Southern Hemisphere or simply South, that only works if you meant Florida.

Nice purchase though. Congratulations.