(jalopnik) Chevy’s Anti-GT500, Pro-Camaro ZL1 Smack-Talking Powerpoint

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

I never said any of that.

What didn't you say?

Originally Posted by calbert1999

You said a "camaro is a grocery getter" because it's used as one even if it wasn't the intended use.

Are you implying that GM didn't intend for customers to get groceries with their Camaros?

Originally Posted by calbert1999

I say you're wrong because it doesn't matter what you use tools for it's their intended use that takes precedence.

I understand that you believe the intended use takes precedence. I believe that it's appropriate to refer to a vehicle by how it is actually legally used.

Originally Posted by calbert1999

The SS was built for drivers not grocery getters. Whehter you do or not is irrellevant, whether you go on the track with it is irrellevent, you don't have to take a car to a track to drive it the way it was designed to be driven.

The Camaro has many intended uses. The main one, I believe, was for use on public roads.

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Wrap my analogy with symantics but it's the same as yours.

My analogy is quite different than yours given the legal use differences between the two which can't reasonably be disputed.

Originally Posted by calbert1999

You can also use a bus to get groceries because it's licensed to be used on the street doesn't mean it was built to do groceries.

I'm not referring to a vehicles design intent or primary intended use. If a bus is used to get groceries, it is a grocery getter, by definition, regardless of the intent of its design and what its primary intended use was. You appear to be confusing design and primary intended use with actual legal use by the end user.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Nobody needs 400+hp. to visit their local Loblaws or Provigo. But, if that what you wanna' do with it that's up to you.

Yes, no one "needs" 400+ hp to get to the store. It's all about wants and desires rather than needs.

[OldScoolCamaro]

At halftime,....Goldenbear; 20,...Unruly Mob; 0......

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

At halftime,....Goldenbear; 20,...Unruly Mob; 0......

Yeah, it's halftime America. GM -- $7.6 Billion in net profit for 2011, and our second half is about to begin.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Brent Hinds

How? You think the GT500 will actually be able to beat a ZL1 on a road course?

You do know that ZL1 was developed on the Nuremburger right?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Ford's been over there, too

It will be interesting if their stick axle can make use of all that power, outside of the flat straights! I think ZL1 would definately hang in the corners, at least, but that's a lot of power to overcome. I know what I'd like to see happen

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by radz28

Ford's been over there, too

It will be interesting if their stick axle can make use of all that power, outside of the flat straights! I think ZL1 would definately hang in the corners, at least, but that's a lot of power to overcome. I know what I'd like to see happen

I was more commenting on the fact he called the Nurburgring Nuremburger, but yes Ford has been testing there as well.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

The only time you can compare times is when they are tested head to head on the same day. You cannot compare one vehicle to another six months apart even if it is the same track. If one car that is equipped with performance summer tires is tested at 40 degrees and the other at 75 degrees with different humidity levels, obviously times will be skewed. Thats why cars are always tested together on the same day.

Good point. Factor in track layout, surface, driver and his mood, and on any given day either of these 2 cars could come out on top. Heck under the right conditions maybe my Boss isn't old news just yet.

[Brent Hinds]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I was more commenting on the fact he called the Nurburgring Nuremburger, but yes Ford has been testing there as well.

I'm sorry! Nurburgurlgering Nuremburgler Nurburgring whatever! All I know is that's where the ZL1 was tested and it's one of the fastest cars ever there!

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Brent Hinds

I'm sorry! Nurburgurlgering Nuremburgler Nurburgring whatever! All I know is that's where the ZL1 was tested and it's one of the fastest cars ever there!

Step away from the keyboard and breathe. The ZL1 is fast, especially for the segment, but you're just misinformed.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

How a vehicle is marketed is not necessarily relevant to how a particular individual intends to use said vehicle.

If one uses a Ferrari only as a daily driver to get groceries, it is, by definition, a grocery getter, regardless it how it was marketed.


One person's ridiculous is another person's truth. And, how is it that you know that I never modify any of my views?


A vehicle is a grocery getter if that is, in fact, what it is, regardless of make and model. A 1970 Hemi 'Cuda is a grocery getter, if that's how it is used. It seems that facts can appear loopy to some.

Grocery getter is not a statement of use, but in fact a designation of a type of car primarily designed for day to day use. As a marketer for Nissan, Toyota, Porsche, and others over my 25 year ad career, I can assure you the term grocery getter was never ment to apply to a sports car or coupe of any type. You are simply being pedantic.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Grocery getter is not a statement of use, but in fact a designation of a type of car primarily designed for day to day use. As a marketer for Nissan, Toyota, Porsche, and others over my 25 year ad career, I can assure you the term grocery getter was never ment to apply to a sports car or coupe of any type. You are simply being pedantic.

Love the command the english language.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

I realize this, but nonetheless, it was printed in thier magazine as an estimate which I thought I would share. If they estimated the base price at $48k, every Ford fan would reference that price even though its still an estimate

Wasn't the Mag's estimate "under 60". I also agree we should be quoted official HP numbers. My bet is both cars have some in reserve whether the number is understated or whether than can do short bursts at a higher RPM.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Love the command the english language.

I love my crappy iPhone typing technique. Still, I'm usually much worse. Good thing I have proofreaders here at work.