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MackMan · 02-28-2012, 01:21 PM

Please let us know what happens. I have the exact issue. I can't get the water off quick enough, and it makes the car look terrible and still dirty. I am new to all of this as and want my car looking nice as much as possible.

srzaver · 02-28-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by srzaver

Spraying with detail spray, after sheet rinsing, helps prevent water spots.
If I may interject with al due respect and as polite as possible, the detail spray moisturizes the surface therefore cover up the water spot. There is nothing in detailer spray that breaks down calcium and removes it away from the surface. Think of it as putting armorial on a faded piece of body molding. Makes it look brand new, until the armorial dries or wears off. The key is using deionized water, and washing small areas at a time from top down. I hope I didn't sound ****y . Its not my intention to come off as a know it all. I lov to learn new tips, products, and any detailing information.

No worries, I'm all for finding new and better ways to keep mine and fellow Camaro owners cars clean. Now, I was just saying that the detail spray seems to help prevent water spots when drying, it doesn't allow the water to set in(so it seems when i'm washing the car). But i agree with you and using deionized water, that's really the best way to avoid any water spots.

Rocket01 · 02-29-2012, 06:22 PM

Try the flood technique before you start to dry the car. It will make things much easier as long as you have a wax or sealant on the paint. Please don't use a water blade; all it takes is a tiny piece of dirt to cause scratching.

Leaf blower will help get the water off also. I have a Metro Master Blaster and they are amazing for blowing your car dry.

ONR is a no rinse product that you can use to wash your car. You do not use a hose to rinse off. You mix the ONR in 2 gallons of water and wipe a panel at a time. If you go to Autogeek's website you can see a video that Mike Phillips has made. It works very well but there is a limit to how dirty the car can be for the rinseless wash method.

WiSSDiver · 02-29-2012, 07:18 PM

http://www.autogeek.net/how-to-use-rinseless-wash.html

The product link is near the bottom.

Adams polishes ( adamspolishes.com) makes a Waterless Wash that is outstanding.

Hope this helps.

nikos30 · 02-29-2012, 07:23 PM

This is probably from your actual soap. I was using some crappy brand cause I thought it would not really matter but I changed to a more expensive one and it instanlty went away

Adam's Polishes · 02-29-2012, 07:48 PM

To some extent, if your water is really full of minerals there won't be much you can do... thats where an inline filter or something like the CR spotless comes in, but those can be expensive to run considering the cost of the resin and how frequently it needs to be changed.

If you're waters average/decent as far as mineral content heres some tips:

SOME TIPS FOR AVOIDING WATER SPOTS:

Using a pH neutral car wash soap don't rinse until the very end. A soap like Adam's Car Wash Shampoo drying on your paint is far better than allowing just straight water to dry. Understand that neither is 'ideal' but if you have no choice the soap will at least keep the minerals in suspension and thus easier to remove.
Wash in the early morning or around dusk when the sun is low in the sky and much less harsh. The less direct sunlight leads to much lower surface temps and lower likelihood anything will dry on the paint.
Work indoors or in shade whenever possible. A kin to the first tip, reducing how much direct sunlight is on the paint while you're working is key to preventing drying and in turn makes everything easier. In the event you don't have a garage or cover to work under look into purchasing a pop up shelter. Many can be found for $150-$300 and collapse down for easy storage when not in use. Your entire care doesn't have to fit under it... position the shelter so it gives you shade in the areas you need.
Avoid wetting/soaping the sides of the vehicle that are in the sun until last. Nothing says you can't wash the vehicle in 2 stages. Rinse and soap the areas that are on the shaded side of the vehicle first then move to the areas in the sun. Keeping the 'sun exposed' areas of the car dry until absolutely necessary buys you significantly more time before anything drying becomes a concern.
Spend more time on your initial rinse. 2 things cause drying - the direct heat of the sun and the indirect heat of the panel temperatures. You can reduce the surface temps of the paint by a large amount by spending more time in the initial rinsing of the panels. Soaking panels for more time with water drops the overall temps and buys you more time before the soap and water (once its introduced) will start drying.
Most of all common sense! As stated in the beginning this is a case of 'Just because you can, doesn't mean you should'. If you absolutely must work in the worst possible conditions adjust your technique to compensate, work quickly, and understand that you are creating more work for yourself by working in unforgiving circumstances. Also, DON'T PANIC! The initial response is to grab a towel and start scrubbing aggressively... understand that a water spot is a surface problem that can be corrected easily if done correctly.
Lastly HAVE FUN! Caring for your car is something that can be a joy or a real pain in the rear... by choosing when and how you approach your wash you dictate how it will go... so choose wisely!!

Dr.Manhattan · 02-29-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by its a syn

Dry with a electric leaf blower-touchless

Im pretty much buying one this summer just for drying my Camaro lol.

Maxspeed · 02-29-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Manhattan

Im pretty much buying one this summer just for drying my Camaro lol.

Take a look at Adams Master Blaster. I can't wait to try mne.

Dr.Manhattan · 02-29-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxspeed

Take a look at Adams Master Blaster. I can't wait to try mne.

Checked it out - http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-599-a...-metrovac.aspx

A little steep for a drying utility lol. Maybe I'll strap it to the rear and get an extra 3 HP after Im done using it !.

Stex · 03-01-2012, 10:23 AM

Do you have a garage? I two bucket wash, sheet rinse, blow SOME of the water off and pull in my garage for detail spray, lite wipe down with great whites and super VRT on tires and trim. Oh, I wash wheels and tires first in a seperate operation then the car. Like Dylan said, if you wait tell the sun is high with no shade you better be fast.

If you have a garage and water softner there in, you can add a hose bib after the water softner and use this to rinse the car. It does help quite a bit.

Adam's Polishes · 03-01-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Manhattan

Checked it out - http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-599-a...-metrovac.aspx

A little steep for a drying utility lol. Maybe I'll strap it to the rear and get an extra 3 HP after Im done using it !.

LOL... splice the tube into your intake, duct tape the blaster to your hood, and run an inverter in your car to power it... Instant 8hp gain Fast N' Furious Style

Junkman2008 · 03-01-2012, 12:22 PM

OP, have you watched these videos?

Cbrenthus · 03-01-2012, 12:53 PM

I use an inline water filter that I got from walmart for under $20 on my hose. Its not perfect, but did seem to reduce the spotting.

02-28-2012, 01:21 PM	#15
MackMan Camaro CRAZY Drives: 2019 1SS/1LE Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Winchester, KY Posts: 3,203 View My Garage	Please let us know what happens. I have the exact issue. I can't get the water off quick enough, and it makes the car look terrible and still dirty. I am new to all of this as and want my car looking nice as much as possible. __________________ MACKMAN // 1LE_ORNGE

02-29-2012, 07:18 PM	#18
WiSSDiver Drives: 1968 Coupe, 2010 2SS, 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: WIsconsin Posts: 1,252 View My Garage	http://www.autogeek.net/how-to-use-rinseless-wash.html The product link is near the bottom. Adams polishes ( adamspolishes.com) makes a Waterless Wash that is outstanding. Hope this helps. __________________

02-29-2012, 07:48 PM	#20
Adam's Polishes Drives: The shiny ones. Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: In the detail shop! Posts: 5,979	To some extent, if your water is really full of minerals there won't be much you can do... thats where an inline filter or something like the CR spotless comes in, but those can be expensive to run considering the cost of the resin and how frequently it needs to be changed. If you're waters average/decent as far as mineral content heres some tips: SOME TIPS FOR AVOIDING WATER SPOTS: Using a pH neutral car wash soap don't rinse until the very end. A soap like Adam's Car Wash Shampoo drying on your paint is far better than allowing just straight water to dry. Understand that neither is 'ideal' but if you have no choice the soap will at least keep the minerals in suspension and thus easier to remove. Wash in the early morning or around dusk when the sun is low in the sky and much less harsh. The less direct sunlight leads to much lower surface temps and lower likelihood anything will dry on the paint. Work indoors or in shade whenever possible. A kin to the first tip, reducing how much direct sunlight is on the paint while you're working is key to preventing drying and in turn makes everything easier. In the event you don't have a garage or cover to work under look into purchasing a pop up shelter. Many can be found for $150-$300 and collapse down for easy storage when not in use. Your entire care doesn't have to fit under it... position the shelter so it gives you shade in the areas you need. Avoid wetting/soaping the sides of the vehicle that are in the sun until last. Nothing says you can't wash the vehicle in 2 stages. Rinse and soap the areas that are on the shaded side of the vehicle first then move to the areas in the sun. Keeping the 'sun exposed' areas of the car dry until absolutely necessary buys you significantly more time before anything drying becomes a concern. Spend more time on your initial rinse. 2 things cause drying - the direct heat of the sun and the indirect heat of the panel temperatures. You can reduce the surface temps of the paint by a large amount by spending more time in the initial rinsing of the panels. Soaking panels for more time with water drops the overall temps and buys you more time before the soap and water (once its introduced) will start drying. Most of all common sense! As stated in the beginning this is a case of 'Just because you can, doesn't mean you should'. If you absolutely must work in the worst possible conditions adjust your technique to compensate, work quickly, and understand that you are creating more work for yourself by working in unforgiving circumstances. Also, DON'T PANIC! The initial response is to grab a towel and start scrubbing aggressively... understand that a water spot is a surface problem that can be corrected easily if done correctly. Lastly HAVE FUN! Caring for your car is something that can be a joy or a real pain in the rear... by choosing when and how you approach your wash you dictate how it will go... so choose wisely!!

03-01-2012, 12:22 PM	#26
Junkman2008 "Detailing Devil Dog" Drives: 2001 Corvette Coupe Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 2,730	OP, have you watched these videos? __________________ "Marines - Making the other guy die for his country for over 200 years."

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02-29-2012, 06:22 PM	#17
Rocket01 Drives: 01 Trans Am WS6 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 12	Try the flood technique before you start to dry the car. It will make things much easier as long as you have a wax or sealant on the paint. Please don't use a water blade; all it takes is a tiny piece of dirt to cause scratching. Leaf blower will help get the water off also. I have a Metro Master Blaster and they are amazing for blowing your car dry. ONR is a no rinse product that you can use to wash your car. You do not use a hose to rinse off. You mix the ONR in 2 gallons of water and wipe a panel at a time. If you go to Autogeek's website you can see a video that Mike Phillips has made. It works very well but there is a limit to how dirty the car can be for the rinseless wash method.

02-29-2012, 07:23 PM	#19
nikos30 HT5 EastSide Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 1,594 View My Garage	This is probably from your actual soap. I was using some crappy brand cause I thought it would not really matter but I changed to a more expensive one and it instanlty went away

03-01-2012, 10:23 AM	#24
Stex Drives: 67 goat, 69 goat ram air III Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South texas Posts: 1,443	Do you have a garage? I two bucket wash, sheet rinse, blow SOME of the water off and pull in my garage for detail spray, lite wipe down with great whites and super VRT on tires and trim. Oh, I wash wheels and tires first in a seperate operation then the car. Like Dylan said, if you wait tell the sun is high with no shade you better be fast. If you have a garage and water softner there in, you can add a hose bib after the water softner and use this to rinse the car. It does help quite a bit.

03-01-2012, 12:53 PM	#27
Cbrenthus Drives: 2011 VR 1SS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: FL Posts: 516	I use an inline water filter that I got from walmart for under $20 on my hose. Its not perfect, but did seem to reduce the spotting.