Vmax Intake Manifold "BLACK ICE-olator" V6 LLT Base Test Results

[TheBlack-CyberGray-Pearl]

I just ordered mine.... I couldn't resist. Just put it on the old credit card.

And a catchcan.

[Ivan @ Southwest Speed]

Originally Posted by formare

ROFLMAO!!! Awesome!

Originally Posted by TheBlack-CyberGray-Pearl

I just ordered mine.... I couldn't resist. Just put it on the old credit card.

And a catchcan.

Thank you again for the orders! Really looking forward to seeing all of these on the streets!
Ivan

[Patrick864 RS]

Installed last night....can't wait to see how it performs over a good 100 miles, and also when it actually gets hot. Loving it so far so glad I bought this and the TB

[mhog]

I wonder if the test dyno was done too soon after install. It takes a few miles on the car before it starts to pull like a bear. Are the test results low?

[TJ91]

Originally Posted by mhog

I wonder if the test dyno was done too soon after install. It takes a few miles on the car before it starts to pull like a bear. Are the test results low?

its a possibility but Mike Norris didnt think so

[BowtieBelle]

Just ordered!!! Can't WAIT to get this puppy on my car!!

Originally Posted by TheBlack-CyberGray-Pearl

I just ordered mine.... I couldn't resist. Just put it on the old credit card.

Same here. I'll pay it off later

[TJ91]

You shall love it and you shall call it squishy (finding nemo line for those of you who don't know)

[kenkartasasmita]

any DIY for this?

[Mike Norris]

Originally Posted by kenkartasasmita

any DIY for this?

If you PM me your e-mail address I can send you my instructions.

Mike Norris

[Jeffm]

are there pics in the thread on where this is installed?

[bluedevil02]

I'm bout to install my ICE, I thought I saw an install video around here?

[PercyJWellingtonIII]

Originally Posted by Mike Norris

Hey All,

I was able to get testing done on a base V6 LLT A6 Camaro today and it is very encouraging. It is a bit time consuning to do it the right way (5-6 hours with dyno time, parts swap time and processing numbers), but worth it for proper data.

I am not going to be able to publish all of the data but will give a brief description of todays process and some general results.

First, the car is completely stock with the exception of a VMax TB and one of my catch cans. The owner runs 87 octane and it is what we tested with. In all of the runs the coolant temps were kept consistant and there was no KR on any of the runs. So no worries about KR skewing the test results. The IAT's were also pretty consistant. The actual air temps today were in the 25-30*F area and pretty dry humidity wise.

All tests were done with the hood closed and a fan blowing lightly on the front of the car to keep the car from getting too hot on the 5 back-to-back runs with each test session. There was about a 30 second wait between runs from the end to starting again in each session.

The only exception was I did an open hood test session with no BLACK ICE-olator and a fan blowing directly on the intake. I will get into this test at a later time.

The test results I am giving are based on the averages of the best and worst runs from each session at 500 RPM increments staring at 2500 and finishing at 6800 (not all runs went to 7000). The base runs I am using are after I tested the BLACK ICE-olator and then removed it to back up the previous base runs.

So the gains with the BLACK ICE-olator were as follows:

Plus 10.5 RWHP and 21.5 RWT at 2500
Plus 11 RWHP and 19.5 RWT at 3000
Plus 9.5 RWHP and 15 RWT at 3500
Plus 20.5 RWHP and 27.5 RWT at 4000
Plus 13.5 RWHP and 16 RWHP at 4500
Plus 13 RWHP and 13.5 RWT at 5000
Plus 11 RWHP and 11 RWT at 5500
Plus 11 RWHP and 9 RWT at 6000
Plus 4 RWHP and 3.5 RWT at 6500
Plus 1 RWHP and 2 RWT at at 6800

So the gains are in the ball park with the previous test last week with the exception of up top and I am thinking this is mainly due to the stock air box. But still for a basically stock car very nice gains and consistant.

On the closed hood tests, the BLACK ICE-olator session showed the temps at the plenum averaged about 25*F cooler at the area behind the TB, the front of the plenum and the middle. It was about 45-50*F cooler at the back of the plenum.

Going back to the hood open test and no isolator and a fan on the plenum, the temp at the plenum were about 15-20*F cooler at all points from the hood closed and BLACK ICE-olator installed. The avarage RWHP and RWT numbers were just about even between the two session, lead changing side from one poitn to the other but close. The open hood and fan numbers went up at 6500 and 6800 and I attribute this to better IAT's and the cooler plenum helping on top more. So it appears the BLACK ICE-olator "acts" similar to the hood being open and a fan blowing on the engine. Not bad to $150-175 at all.

The install is not too bad and the hardest part is the two back bolts for the fuel rail heat shield. Just tight back there and will take some patience. I did take a bunch of pics and will make an install thread eventually.

So that is the short story and summary for folks. You can still get in on this first run if you want, just let me know. I should be doing another test with a Vararam, exhaust and tuned car next week if time permits.

Have a great Sunday all.

Mike Norris

Does it void your warranty?

[PercyJWellingtonIII]

Originally Posted by Mike Norris

Hey All,

I was able to get testing done on a base V6 LLT A6 Camaro today and it is very encouraging. It is a bit time consuning to do it the right way (5-6 hours with dyno time, parts swap time and processing numbers), but worth it for proper data.

I am not going to be able to publish all of the data but will give a brief description of todays process and some general results.

First, the car is completely stock with the exception of a VMax TB and one of my catch cans. The owner runs 87 octane and it is what we tested with. In all of the runs the coolant temps were kept consistant and there was no KR on any of the runs. So no worries about KR skewing the test results. The IAT's were also pretty consistant. The actual air temps today were in the 25-30*F area and pretty dry humidity wise.

All tests were done with the hood closed and a fan blowing lightly on the front of the car to keep the car from getting too hot on the 5 back-to-back runs with each test session. There was about a 30 second wait between runs from the end to starting again in each session.

The only exception was I did an open hood test session with no BLACK ICE-olator and a fan blowing directly on the intake. I will get into this test at a later time.

The test results I am giving are based on the averages of the best and worst runs from each session at 500 RPM increments staring at 2500 and finishing at 6800 (not all runs went to 7000). The base runs I am using are after I tested the BLACK ICE-olator and then removed it to back up the previous base runs.

So the gains with the BLACK ICE-olator were as follows:

Plus 10.5 RWHP and 21.5 RWT at 2500
Plus 11 RWHP and 19.5 RWT at 3000
Plus 9.5 RWHP and 15 RWT at 3500
Plus 20.5 RWHP and 27.5 RWT at 4000
Plus 13.5 RWHP and 16 RWHP at 4500
Plus 13 RWHP and 13.5 RWT at 5000
Plus 11 RWHP and 11 RWT at 5500
Plus 11 RWHP and 9 RWT at 6000
Plus 4 RWHP and 3.5 RWT at 6500
Plus 1 RWHP and 2 RWT at at 6800

So the gains are in the ball park with the previous test last week with the exception of up top and I am thinking this is mainly due to the stock air box. But still for a basically stock car very nice gains and consistant.

On the closed hood tests, the BLACK ICE-olator session showed the temps at the plenum averaged about 25*F cooler at the area behind the TB, the front of the plenum and the middle. It was about 45-50*F cooler at the back of the plenum.

Going back to the hood open test and no isolator and a fan on the plenum, the temp at the plenum were about 15-20*F cooler at all points from the hood closed and BLACK ICE-olator installed. The avarage RWHP and RWT numbers were just about even between the two session, lead changing side from one poitn to the other but close. The open hood and fan numbers went up at 6500 and 6800 and I attribute this to better IAT's and the cooler plenum helping on top more. So it appears the BLACK ICE-olator "acts" similar to the hood being open and a fan blowing on the engine. Not bad to $150-175 at all.

The install is not too bad and the hardest part is the two back bolts for the fuel rail heat shield. Just tight back there and will take some patience. I did take a bunch of pics and will make an install thread eventually.

So that is the short story and summary for folks. You can still get in on this first run if you want, just let me know. I should be doing another test with a Vararam, exhaust and tuned car next week if time permits.

Have a great Sunday all.

Mike Norris

Where are you test numbers for just the Vmaxx with out the Oralator?

[Toasty]

Originally Posted by PercyJWellingtonIII

Where are you test numbers for just the Vmaxx with out the Oralator?

VMAX is the company... are you referring to the Throttle Body?