Al O. believes ZL1 still faster

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by snapp32e

And what does more HP have to do with anything? The common misconception that bigger HP means bigger performance.

I'm sorry but at what point did that ever become a misconception? lol.

you're saying cars with more hp DON'T have the potential for higher performance? That has to be the oddest thing I've read today.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

you're saying cars with more hp DON'T have the potential for higher performance?

I think that was snapp32e was trying to state is that more horsepower alone doesn't always equate to more performance, as there are other factors in addition to horsepower that are also involved in determining a vehicle's overall performance.

[ffrcobra_65]

the truth is getting closer

[snapp32e]

Your right, they do have the potential. Combined with other upgrades. There are a lot of GT500 owners that would argue against a 100hp increase as the only upgrade for the 2013 year as it has a hard time putting 550hp down right now. 650 just means more smoke in more gears.

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I think that was snapp32e was trying to state is that more horsepower alone doesn't always equate to more performance, as there are other factors in addition to horsepower that are also involved in determining a vehicle's overall performance.

That is true, but it's hard to discount a car because it spins it's tires.
the ZL1 hasn't gotten the 1/4 mile time I know it's capable of so apparently it's having issues putting down it's power in a drag strip setting. as any 500+ hp car would regardless of it's suspension on factory tires.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

That is true, but it's hard to discount a car because it spins it's tires.
the ZL1 hasn't gotten the 1/4 mile time I know it's capable of so apparently it's having issues putting down it's power in a drag strip setting. as any 500+ hp car would regardless of it's suspension on factory tires.

It's having a hard time putting down good numbers in 40* weather and dusty conditions?! Maybe it's a little early to make any determinations until better weather and conditions permit. The drag setting is also for DRs, to my understanding, and there are no reports of times for that either, so it doesn't sound much like it's having issues more than conditions won't allow optimum performance.

[YourBlindingBias]

As any 500+ hp car would in the same conditions yes, it's not ideal weather for high HP cars.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by snapp32e

Your right, they do have the potential. Combined with other upgrades. There are a lot of GT500 owners that would argue against a 100hp increase as the only upgrade for the 2013 year as it has a hard time putting 550hp down right now. 650 just means more smoke in more gears.

That is why Ford did other upgrades at the same time. Better brakes, suspension, tranny/rear gears ... now what remains to be seen is if that worked or if they still have trouble getting the power down.

Soon we will have some comparisons followed by real world comparisons ..

Crowley

[radz28]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

As any 500+ hp car would in the same conditions yes, it's not ideal weather for high HP cars.

Yet you seem to suggest that ZL1's chassis can't make use of it's power either, when in fact no one knows yet. I don't understand your point - if you post what you had and then reply with something like this, it just seems like you're arguing to argue... You want to use those tests to show that ZL1 isn't as capable as people like me know it is, then, you bounce back with a comment like that. Enough already...

Originally Posted by Crowley

That is why Ford did other upgrades at the same time. Better brakes, suspension, tranny/rear gears ... now what remains to be seen is if that worked or if they still have trouble getting the power down.

Soon we will have some comparisons followed by real world comparisons ..

Crowley

You know - I never really bought into the whole "track ready"-thing, personally. I do prefer Ford's approach about a la carte, but I can totally see what GM's trying to do and appreciate it. Why have IRS and probably the most sophisticated active suspension only to offer it as an almost half-@$$ed package, rather than a complete car, capable of driving to the track, pasting a HUGE grin across your face, and then lumber home in complete comfort? I guess I'm just not into marketing, lol.

[snapp32e]

I just can't wait to drive and experience both. As similar as they are, they'll still offer 2 totally different experiences I bet.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by snapp32e

I just can't wait to drive and experience both. As similar as they are, they'll still offer 2 totally different experiences I bet.

I bet you're right! It's totally different, according to MT, than the Boss - why shouldn't it be? NA vs SC'd; light-weight vs heavy; brute vs relatively gentle (I don't know if that's a good adjective...). I like the thought that ZL1 could be either redefining the segment, and even moreso, creating a new one, however, it remains that, IMO, the Mustang should ALWAYS be the primary target; as it always has been. I don't suggest that it should be limited (if you will), because there are 'Stangs that can give 'Vette a good workout, but we should always meet the Ponys head-on. When I think about what we know of ZL1, and it's considerable technology, I can't help but think it may be the latter I think it's about time! The Mustang did that nearly 50-years ago! And good for them

[FAST ZL1]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

huh? the 2013 gt500 and the 2012 ZL1 will be on the streets at the same time, the ZL1 is not even on the street yet.

I am sorry but model year makes a difference. Ford owned the 2011 year with the GT500. The 2012 year belongs to the Bowtie. If model year doesn't matter then neither does the model. In that case the Corvette ZR1 wins hands down. The GT500 can have 2013. Why do Ford people feel the need to spend all their time bashing the Camaro because they set a new standard. Both cars are nice but Camaro wins this round.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

As any 500+ hp car would in the same conditions yes, it's not ideal weather for high HP cars.

I think you are mistaking horsepower with torque... You don't need huge torque to make huge horsepower, in addition Torque is the twisting force. I'm sure most of what I've said you already know though.

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by FAST ZL1

I am sorry but model year makes a difference. Ford owned the 2011 year with the GT500. The 2012 year belongs to the Bowtie. If model year doesn't matter then neither does the model. In that case the Corvette ZR1 wins hands down. The GT500 can have 2013. Why do Ford people feel the need to spend all their time bashing the Camaro because they set a new standard. Both cars are nice but Camaro wins this round.

It comes down to which one I can buy when I walk outside doesn't it?
of course the model matters LMAO that is crazy.
the gt500 and zl1 are in the same segment don't try and pull the vette card now.
If I look at my calendar and it's 2012 and I'm in a 2013 model GT500, it will still be the year 2012.
Ford makes it so your car is a year new when you buy it the previous year, gm makes it so your car is a few months new in the current year.

bottom line, when two cars in the same segment are available for purchasing they are most definitely a fair comparison.
Also not sure who you are talking about, I didn't bash the ZL1.