Problems with SS manual trannies?

[SGDM]

Originally Posted by IDEALG

Guys! If you have a notchy trans with no grind issues change your fluid to royal purple or redline fluid and remove the pins in the shifter bracket, pop the bracket out of the trans then reinstall the shifter bracket and pins back onto the trans. A lot of times the shifter bracket needs to be moved around and reinstalled to releive some of the notchy feel. This trans is definitely notchy in general but adjusting the shifter bracket sometimes helps.

Those of you with grind issues at low rpm take it to the dealer and have them replace the whole trans.

Those of you with grind issues at high rpm only make sure you press that clutch pedal hard to the floor when shifting and you will most likely notice it wont grind. The master cylinder isnt flowing enough fluid to completely disengage the clutch. Im working on a solution to this problem and its going to take me some time to get done.

GM will not replace the tranny, it is not "cost effective", that is what they told me. My car has been waiting on parts for 37 days now. WTF!

[jmatero]

Originally Posted by SGDM

GM will not replace the tranny, it is not "cost effective", that is what they told me. My car has been waiting on parts for 37 days now. WTF!

Oh man this is starting to sound like my Mustang all over again.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Anyone that actually "drives" the car will tell you there are difficulties shifting in higher RPM's, especially with aggressive driving. For example you may go from 2nd. to 3rd. and miss a shift because it just won't go into gear unless you let off the accelerator to lower the RPM's a bit.
Happens to me almost all the time, I can easily reproduce the problem launching and then shifting at 4k+ RPM.
Now if you're going to the grocery store or just cruising around town shifting at 2.5k RPM you'll never have a problem, but if you're like most people that purchase the Camaro because you're a driver, you'll experience this notchy, sticky shifting issue.

There is a whole bunch of threads and complaints about it. Seems to be a few things, nobody really sure but lots of people rebuilding their trannys to resolve the issue. Some are just plain replacing the whole TR6060 with something else.

2-3 seems to grind on me, even if the clutch is in.. Nothing audible, but I can feel the jaring coming up the shifter.

I have a very late build 2010.. Something like 3/10 or 4/10.. So, I don't have the output shaft issue.. But, notchy gears are a definite yes.

I do drive the piss out of mine on the track as well.. I no-lift-shift it every time under full boost and throttle..

Drive line is very clunky when using clutch, even shifting gears makes a clunk.. Mine is much more noticeable now that I have all the HD bushings and such.. It's to be expected, but even I never realized how noisy the driveline was.

[RiCorvette]

I use RP; the notchiness is 2>3 and seems to lessen once the Tranny is warmed up. I don't know that RP makes much of a difference, but warming up the Tranny does.

When the Tranny is cold, I pause when shifting; but it is still notchy sometimes.

I also shift 1>3>5 in City Traffic, revving to 2000~2300 RPM

I have a 2012 Challenger with the same TR6060; 900 miles now and haven't really noticed the same 2>3 notchiness as in my 2010 Camaro.

[jmatero]

Based on what I've been reading here it seems the majority of complaints are coming from 2010 owners, less from 2011, and few if any from 2012. Forgive me for being out of the loop but are the 2012's less problematic? That seems to be the case on the Challenger forums as well.

Essentially, Ford is buying back my car over their own Getrag transmission nightmare and I'm a stick guy... so the Camaro is the next closest vehicle to my Stang. I have one more week to decide and was pretty much sold on the Camaro 2SS with the Tremec but now I'm VERY concerned.

[45thAnniversary2SS]

Mine is solid through every gear. Still brand new though.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by jmatero

Based on what I've been reading here it seems the majority of complaints are coming from 2010 owners, less from 2011, and few if any from 2012. Forgive me for being out of the loop but are the 2012's less problematic? That seems to be the case on the Challenger forums as well.

Essentially, Ford is buying back my car over their own Getrag transmission nightmare and I'm a stick guy... so the Camaro is the next closest vehicle to my Stang. I have one more week to decide and was pretty much sold on the Camaro 2SS with the Tremec but now I'm VERY concerned.

This issue is not a 2010 vs 2012. The only Camaro that I'm aware of that has a different version of the TR6060 is the ZL1.
Anyone that isn't experiencing the problem are not driving the car aggressively.
I can produce the problem easily by simply shifting at high RPM's or speed shifting. For me it happens mostly 2-3, as I don't rev too hard in 1st (too much torque to deal with).
So, in 2nd. I'll get it up to 4.5+k/rpm for example and then slam it into 3rd., and it won't go into gear, I have to let off accelerator to get rpms down, then it will go into gear.

[IDEALG]

[QUOTE=SGDM;4673933]GM will not replace the tranny, it is not "cost effective", that is what they told me. My car has been waiting on parts for 37 days now. WTF

Go to a different dealer, i took mine in and they gave me a new one.

[RiCorvette]

Originally Posted by jmatero

Based on what I've been reading here it seems the majority of complaints are coming from 2010 owners, less from 2011, and few if any from 2012. Forgive me for being out of the loop but are the 2012's less problematic? That seems to be the case on the Challenger forums as well.

Essentially, Ford is buying back my car over their own Getrag transmission nightmare and I'm a stick guy... so the Camaro is the next closest vehicle to my Stang. I have one more week to decide and was pretty much sold on the Camaro 2SS with the Tremec but now I'm VERY concerned.

could be that Tremec recognized the problem and quietly started using different blocking rings (brass vs carbon fiber), as some have noted in other threads.

As I said, my 2012 Challenger with a TR6060 is noticeably 'un-notchy' compared to my 2010 Camaro with a TR6060

[jmatero]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

This issue is not a 2010 vs 2012. The only Camaro that I'm aware of that has a different version of the TR6060 is the ZL1.
Anyone that isn't experiencing the problem are not driving the car aggressively.
I can produce the problem easily by simply shifting at high RPM's or speed shifting. For me it happens mostly 2-3, as I don't rev too hard in 1st (too much torque to deal with).
So, in 2nd. I'll get it up to 4.5+k/rpm for example and then slam it into 3rd., and it won't go into gear, I have to let off accelerator to get rpms down, then it will go into gear.

So, if I'm understanding you, there have been no revisions to the TR6060 since 2010 to address this? I'm finding that difficult to believe. So if you hop into a brand new SS built last week, it will grind 1-2 and/or 2-3 over 4500 rpm?

[jmatero]

The factory hurst in the camaro is definitely notchy compared to a 2012 challenger no doubt. But the CTS-V, GT500, Corvette, and Challenger forums all show far fewer synchro issues with the 2012's over previous years so SOMETHING changed in the TR6060 over time. Again, the majority of complaints here seem to be from 2010 owners.

[IDEALG]

Originally Posted by Waterboy2b98

IDEALG, can you go into a little more detail about how to remove to pins on the shifter bracket, and put it back in. I have the grind issue that I will change the fluid myself to try and fix. And the notchy shifter, (Hurst) and would like to try and fix that. I am not a mechanic, but learning as I go. So if its a tough job I may not try it.

this may or may not work. the shifter bracket or should i say shifter assembly is held to the transmission with two pins. it may be hard to get to without removing the trans mount and lowering the trans a tad. there are clips attached to the pins so the pins wont fall out. so you have to pry the clips upward with a screwdriver or pick to release them and then you will be able to slide the pins out. theres no real adjustment of the shifter but it may be tweaked in its current spot and removing it and reinstalling it sometimes helps and gets it put back into the right position.

[IDEALG]

Originally Posted by Ricamaro

could be that Tremec recognized the problem and quietly started using different blocking rings (brass vs carbon fiber), as some have noted in other threads.

As I said, my 2012 Challenger with a TR6060 is noticeably 'un-notchy' compared to my 2010 Camaro with a TR6060

its really weird because some people have the problem and others dont

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by jmatero

So, if I'm understanding you, there have been no revisions to the TR6060 since 2010 to address this? I'm finding that difficult to believe. So if you hop into a brand new SS built last week, it will grind 1-2 and/or 2-3 over 4500 rpm?

Do enough research and there are peeps with 2011, 2012 with the same issue, there are numerous complaints about this on several threads on C5 and many other boards.
The ZL1 is the only TR6060 revision.