Stock 2010 GT500 vs. Magnuson 2SS

[edbrick]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Please show me a 60k GT500.....You see statements like these is what makes you go wow..are you chevy guys that devoted and blind ??

Because those are some nice made up facts there..

And before you say a GT500 KR...well thats not a GT500, and we know its waaaayyyy overpriced.

I can show ya a Ford dealer in South Jersey last year they had three gt 500's sitting out front 8K additional dealer markup. No wonder they only sold 8,500 last year.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by edbrick

I can show ya a Ford dealer in South Jersey last year they had three gt 500's sitting out front 8K additional dealer markup. No wonder they only sold 8,500 last year.

and we havn't seen ANY dealer markups on camaros....

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Now, let’s assume that we wanted to up the ante on the performance level of the Camaro with the addition of the new Magnuson TVS 2300 blower kit. This kit MSRP’s at $7,400 complete, and it is estimated that it would cost an additional $700 or so to have it professionally installed. (Yes, you could save money by doing it yourself, but then if something goes wrong, you’re screwed.) This brings the total cost for the 2SS to $46,760 and should get you in the neighborhood of 565HP and 550TQ by all credible estimates.

Relatively minor point of contention here ... by my estimates the TVS kit should be pumping out something like ~590 hp (crank) at 6 psi on a manual SS. Why did you go with 565? In case you're wonder where I got my 590 from:

Blownchevy's G8 made 323 hp at the wheel, stock. With 6psi he made an extra 125 hp. That is a gain of 38.7% (125/323 x 100%). So 426*1.387 = 591 hp.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

While your enthusiasm is appreciated, you have your information wrong.

The GT500's driveshaft is the same two-piece unit they use in the Mustang GT, and I can tell you it is the weak link in the factory drivetrain. As far as I know, they have only failed on the dragstrip on cars running high horsepower and slicks, so it only seems to be an issue if you are running something other than DOT tires at the track, but it's still the weakest link.

Evolution went 9's on the stock engine internals, not on the stock drivetrain. Their car was fitted with an automatic transmission, aftermarket one-piece driveshaft and other suspension goodies.

I beg to differ.

I didn't know about the driveshaft thing, because I didn't hear of any failing. Sounds like its plenty strong to me.

Heres the stock engine, supercharger, transmission GT500 running 9's:

http://www.evoperform.com/GT500/9.wmv

No automatic trans there

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by edbrick

I can show ya a Ford dealer in South Jersey last year they had three gt 500's sitting out front 8K additional dealer markup. No wonder they only sold 8,500 last year.

Not one to argue little things, but I have two things to say:

1)Just because they were asking 8K over sticker does not mean anyone paid 8K over sticker to get one. Since, according to you, they were still just sitting on the lot, it does not sound like they did sell any at $8K over.

2)Even if they sold a 2009 GT500 at 8K over, it still would not be $60K. A fully loaded 2009 GT500 went/goes for about $48,500. Add $8K to that and you are still only at $56,500.

Originally Posted by Wesman

I beg to differ.

I didn't know about the driveshaft thing, because I didn't hear of any failing. Sounds like its plenty strong to me.

Heres the stock engine, supercharger, transmission GT500 running 9's:

http://www.evoperform.com/GT500/9.wmv

No automatic trans there

Ooops, my bad. I guess I was thinking about when they took that car into the 8's.

[vega$]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Relatively minor point of contention here ... by my estimates the TVS kit should be pumping out something like ~590 hp (crank) at 6 psi on a manual SS. Why did you go with 565? In case you're wonder where I got my 590 from:

Blownchevy's G8 made 323 hp at the wheel, stock. With 6psi he made an extra 125 hp. That is a gain of 38.7% (125/323 x 100%). So 426*1.387 = 591 hp.

Originally Posted by BlownChevy

My G8 is making 480RWHP with the 6.0L DOD motor @ 8 psi. That is 157 more than my stock baseline. I made exactly 125 more with the 6psi out of the box.

Originally Posted by BlownChevy

M6, the supercharger carries a 3/36 warranty and the powertrain warranty is available for an additional 200.00.

should it be 370rwhp x 1.387 = 513rwhp 6psi

we are looking at 550rwhp with 8psi

I see a 42,000$ camaro SS with over 100 more rwhp...
For a badass muscle car this is perfect and best bang for your buck. I want a powerful daily driver not a drag car.

[blackedout010]

honestly if your looking for only 500 rwhp?? then the camaro would be cheapest way out. if your gonna want more which in most occasions we all do lol the gt500 is the best bet. a tvs,kb, or whipple upgrade and your at 700+ rwhp safely!! will the camaro do that? yes! but not safely without dumpin alotta more money into car. tough decision there both awesome cars in my opinion.

[blackedout010]

Originally Posted by vega$

should it be 370rwhp x 1.387 = 513rwhp 6psi

we are looking at 550rwhp with 8psi

I see a 42,000$ camaro SS with over 100 more rwhp...
For a badass muscle car this is perfect and best bang for your buck. I want a powerful daily driver not a drag car.

i agree!! however you can have a kb or whipple gt500 700+ rwhp and retain a daily driver and even sound stock. really both shouldnt be compared.

[vega$]

Originally Posted by blackedout010

i agree!! however you can have a kb or whipple gt500 700+ rwhp and retain a daily driver and even sound stock. really both shouldnt be compared.

yeah true but still alot of $$$.
just comparing stock GT500 vs modded camaro.

maybe if they start adding power to the GT's we can compare with mustang otherwise stock for stock ford is avoiding chevys.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Relatively minor point of contention here ... by my estimates the TVS kit should be pumping out something like ~590 hp (crank) at 6 psi on a manual SS. Why did you go with 565? In case you're wonder where I got my 590 from:

Blownchevy's G8 made 323 hp at the wheel, stock. With 6psi he made an extra 125 hp. That is a gain of 38.7% (125/323 x 100%). So 426*1.387 = 591 hp.

but how different is the 6.0 in the G8 vs. the 6.2? The 6.0 is more detuned from the factory. It's like adding a tune in a G8 gives a ton more power, but I wouldn't expect the same percentage gain on the 6.2 LS3.

[truth411]

Am I missing something here, the Camaro ss with a 2300 TVS supercharger and a tune will make well over 500+ hp at the wheels depending on how much boost. Acording to the original post when one compare this theoretical SS to a Bone Stock GT-500, the GT-500 will loose. But if the GT-500 switch to a smaller pulley (thus no longer stock) Then it is all over for the Camaro SS in a straight line. But the camaro ss is built more for the race track than the drag strip like the GT-500. A modded Camaro ss will probaly slaughter a GT-500 at a race track with plenty of money to spare. Case in point, Roush Mustang may loose in a straight line to the GT-500, but on a race track they whip the GT-500 like a red headed step child even though they have less HP. This is how I see it, If your defenition of "performance" means going fast in a straight line and thats it, and your definition of "handling" means having the ability to come back around and make another pass at the drag strip, If that is your criteria then the GT-500 is the perfrect car for you. If your defintion of "Performance" means straight line acceleration + Braking + handling etc.. then the Camaro is the Better car especially when equipt with a blower. The stock camaro weight distribution is 52/48 with a blower it may be like 53/47.

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by truth411

Am I missing something here, the Camaro ss with a 2300 TVS supercharger and a tune will make well over 500+ hp at the wheels depending on how much boost. Acording to the original post when one compare this theoretical SS to a Bone Stock GT-500, the GT-500 will loose. But if the GT-500 switch to a smaller pulley (thus no longer stock) Then it is all over for the Camaro SS in a straight line. But the camaro ss is built more for the race track than the drag strip like the GT-500. A modded Camaro ss will probaly slaughter a GT-500 at a race track with plenty of money to spare. Case in point, Roush Mustang may loose in a straight line to the GT-500, but on a race track they whip the GT-500 like a red headed step child even though they have less HP. This is how I see it, If your defenition of "performance" means going fast in a straight line and thats it, and your definition of "handling" means having the ability to come back around and make another pass at the drag strip, If that is your criteria then the GT-500 is the perfrect car for you. If your defintion of "Performance" means straight line acceleration + Braking + handling etc.. then the Camaro is the Better car especially when equipt with a blower. The stock camaro weight distribution is 52/48 with a blower it may be like 53/47.

I think you forgot to read the part of the title of this thread "2010 GT500" That's what's being discussed here dude!!!
Show me where a 2010 GT500 got whooped on a road course by a Roush Stang?
The 2010 GT500 is a completely different animal from the prior GT500 as far as suspension tuning goes.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

I think you forgot to read the part of the title of this thread "2010 GT500" That's what's being discussed here dude!!!
Show me where a 2010 GT500 got whooped on a road course by a Roush Stang?
The 2010 GT500 is a completely different animal from the prior GT500 as far as suspension tuning goes.

+1

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by blackedout010

honestly if your looking for only 500 rwhp?? then the camaro would be cheapest way out. if your gonna want more which in most occasions we all do lol the gt500 is the best bet. a tvs,kb, or whipple upgrade and your at 700+ rwhp safely!! will the camaro do that? yes! but not safely without dumpin alotta more money into car. tough decision there both awesome cars in my opinion.

if your only looking for 500rwhp, then the MUSTANG GT would probably be the cheapest way out.