OBX Longtube Headers

[matt55]

Originally Posted by toml_pa

If you are considering OBX headers, mine fit great and here are some pictures.
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Ordered them last week, should here tommorow.

[Avenging Orange]

Originally Posted by toml_pa

If you are considering OBX headers, mine fit great and here are some pictures.
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Beautiful man, beautiful!

[Mud]

Glad you got your issues worked out.
I love mine. At first I wasnt going to go with the OBX due to all the bashing going on here about them. I realized I was falling into the stereo typical 'follow the leader' syndrome that tends to occure on these forums. But in the long run, I followed my heart (and did my homework) and am damn glad I did.
Ha! Now I realize why all the negativity......damn good product at a damn good price.
Enjoy!
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That "damn good product at a damn good price is" is the result of another company's time, money and engineering. But hey, it's not your ox being gored...

Perhaps if you spent your money and time designing a product and learning someone else was making selling an exact copy of your product for cheap, you may feel differently.

[RBL]

Originally Posted by Mud

That "damn good product at a damn good price is" is the result of another company's time, money and engineering. But hey, it's not your ox being gored...

Perhaps if you spent your money and time designing a product and learning someone else was making selling an exact copy of your product for cheap, you may feel differently.

Oh FFS, is bent tubing. It don't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out, its just takes the right machinery. Its not like they reversed engineered a Lambo Aventador.

[dekan513]

they are only so many ways to bend headers on a certain car. so with 10 companies makin headers they will be some that look alot alike. if u dont like me having obx header give me 1000 bucks and ill be glad to change

[Avenging Orange]

Originally Posted by Mud

That "damn good product at a damn good price is" is the result of another company's time, money and engineering. But hey, it's not your ox being gored...

Perhaps if you spent your money and time designing a product and learning someone else was making selling an exact copy of your product for cheap, you may feel differently.

You guys kill me! You are so gullable. I truely enjoy getting under your skin. Watching you all getting your panties in a bunch is priceless!
OBX! OBX! I dont have a catch can! I dont have a catch can! Dino oil! Dino oil! Turtle wax! Turtle wax! Fram! Fram!

[Mud]

Many products look similar. Copying someone else product and selling it as your own is what it is.

You can buy whatever you want, it's your money.

The companies making and the people selling unauthorized sports apparel will continue to do so making the same justification. Making jerseys for cheap because they don't have to pay licensing fees legit companies do.

Man, just bending tubes. I have to get into the header business because according to some, it's really easy.

[ss/rs-matt]

Well if I ever decide to turn my OBX headers into electrical conduit Ill let you guys know how it turns out...haha. For now they work amazing as HEADERS! These threads are fun, Im still working on my carbon fiber, titanium headers that will last 300,000 years. I just hired 2 NASA engineers to help design them, now i just need a $500,000.00 tube bender, its a really really special one. They will only cost about $5000.00 but they will come with a lifetime warranty. lol

[ss/rs-matt]

oh and I'm going to have them built in Canada because, well, thats ok with everybody.

[MarylandSpeed]

Originally Posted by dekan513

they are only so many ways to bend headers on a certain car. so with 10 companies makin headers they will be some that look alot alike. if u dont like me having obx header give me 1000 bucks and ill be glad to change

That like saying there are only so many ways to make a car...you know four wheels..engine..hood. It's all the same. Or a phone...speaker, mic, screen..it's all the same.

I can give you 10 headers from 10 different brands, and besides being bent pipe, none of them look similar (assuming you have some basic cognitive ability). There are difference not only in the bends, but in overall length. So when one header is the exact mirror image of another, plus works with that companies mid pipes, yes it is a copied design.

Yes, there are two headers in this picture.....

Originally Posted by RBL

Oh FFS, is bent tubing. It don't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out, its just takes the right machinery. Its not like they reversed engineered a Lambo Aventador.

If designing a header was so easy, and R&D is something with no cost and value..why don't they design their own stuff? Would seem like the right way to build business to me? Certainly would shut me up. But I bet it is hard to R&D prototypes when all your machinery is owned by a contract manufacturer overeas.

The thing is, most people forget this stuff is designed using very expensive equipment like CMM arms that map the engine bay. They are also bent on CNC benders. Both of these require damn near engineers to run and program. That is why when you buy a header now, it fits, and has a life time warranty.

Also forgotten is 15 years ago and earlier, installing headers was a terrible experiance. Sure you could get some $200 Hooker or whatever headers at Pep Boys or Track Auto. But they were mild steal, and made with zero consistancy because nothing was made on computer controlled equipment. It was the norm to have to beat headers to get them to fit, or cut your car. 5 years later when the header rusted away, you did the same thing over. And there was no complaining on a forum about a header rubbing..you just dealt with it...it is part of the game.

Because of that, the whole value in a Kooks header, or any of the premium brands is their fit. The fact that they spent 400 hours engineering a header using high dollar equipment. The fact that they are made on computer controlled CNC benders, and welded in high dollar jigs so that every header is the same. The fact that the person who makes them actually knows what they are welding, and the support rep on the phone likely has first hand experiance with your car are part of the value.

Again...my point is..if it was easy, and it was just bent pipe..then I see no reason to ever steal anyones design.

[kcox2010]

Can some post a pic of there spring bolts installed with Thse setup

[S3XPanther]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

That like saying there are only so many ways to make a car...you know four wheels..engine..hood. It's all the same. Or a phone...speaker, mic, screen..it's all the same.

I can give you 10 headers from 10 different brands, and besides being bent pipe, none of them look similar (assuming you have some basic cognitive ability). There are difference not only in the bends, but in overall length. So when one header is the exact mirror image of another, plus works with that companies mid pipes, yes it is a copied design.

Yes, there are two headers in this picture.....





If designing a header was so easy, and R&D is something with no cost and value..why don't they design their own stuff? Would seem like the right way to build business to me? Certainly would shut me up. But I bet it is hard to R&D prototypes when all your machinery is owned by a contract manufacturer overeas.

The thing is, most people forget this stuff is designed using very expensive equipment like CMM arms that map the engine bay. They are also bent on CNC benders. Both of these require damn near engineers to run and program. That is why when you buy a header now, it fits, and has a life time warranty.

Also forgotten is 15 years ago and earlier, installing headers was a terrible experiance. Sure you could get some $200 Hooker or whatever headers at Pep Boys or Track Auto. But they were mild steal, and made with zero consistancy because nothing was made on computer controlled equipment. It was the norm to have to beat headers to get them to fit, or cut your car. 5 years later when the header rusted away, you did the same thing over. And there was no complaining on a forum about a header rubbing..you just dealt with it...it is part of the game.

Because of that, the whole value in a Kooks header, or any of the premium brands is their fit. The fact that they spent 400 hours engineering a header using high dollar equipment. The fact that they are made on computer controlled CNC benders, and welded in high dollar jigs so that every header is the same. The fact that the person who makes them actually knows what they are welding, and the support rep on the phone likely has first hand experiance with your car are part of the value.

Again...my point is..if it was easy, and it was just bent pipe..then I see no reason to ever steal anyones design.

Just let it be, bro. I'm on your side (except that I'm going ARH ), but it's pointless to keep talking to a brick wall. These guys will learn in due time. Cheap crap always shows its worth with time.

[matt55]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

That like saying there are only so many ways to make a car...you know four wheels..engine..hood. It's all the same. Or a phone...speaker, mic, screen..it's all the same.

I can give you 10 headers from 10 different brands, and besides being bent pipe, none of them look similar (assuming you have some basic cognitive ability). There are difference not only in the bends, but in overall length. So when one header is the exact mirror image of another, plus works with that companies mid pipes, yes it is a copied design.

Yes, there are two headers in this picture.....





If designing a header was so easy, and R&D is something with no cost and value..why don't they design their own stuff? Would seem like the right way to build business to me? Certainly would shut me up. But I bet it is hard to R&D prototypes when all your machinery is owned by a contract manufacturer overeas.

The thing is, most people forget this stuff is designed using very expensive equipment like CMM arms that map the engine bay. They are also bent on CNC benders. Both of these require damn near engineers to run and program. That is why when you buy a header now, it fits, and has a life time warranty.

Also forgotten is 15 years ago and earlier, installing headers was a terrible experiance. Sure you could get some $200 Hooker or whatever headers at Pep Boys or Track Auto. But they were mild steal, and made with zero consistancy because nothing was made on computer controlled equipment. It was the norm to have to beat headers to get them to fittest, or cut your car. 5 years later when the header rusted away, you did the same thing over. And there was no complaining on a forum about a header rubbing..you just dealt with it...it is part of the game.

Because of that, the whole value in a Kooks header, or any of the premium brands is their fit. The fact that they spent 400 hours engineering a header using high dollar equipment. The fact that they are made on computer controlled CNC benders, and welded in high dollar jigs so that every header is the same. The fact that the person who makes them actually knows what they are welding, and the support rep on the phone likely has first hand experiance with your car are part of the value.

Again...my point is..if it was easy, and it was just bent pipe..then I see no reason to ever steal anyones design.

Do you have a side by side of the colectors?
Its looks different to me like the obx mergs are shorter.

[S3XPanther]

Originally Posted by matt55

Do you have a side by side of the colectors?
Its looks different to me like the obx mergs are shorter.

Don't need one. Look at the pics posted earlier. They obviously copied the ball and socket Kooks design.