Chevrolet: Stock 2012 ZL1 Runs 11.93 Quarter Mile (Video)

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Rock36

I hope you maintain an equal level of skepticism for any cars provided directly from Ford as you do for GM. After all your fanboy accusations, and accusing others of delusion, I would hate to see you become a hypocrite in the end.

If you expect a stock ZL1 bought from a dealer for real results, I hope you expect no less from the 2013 GT500.

True. Here the thing, I haven't heard Ford boast that their GT500 will outperform the ZL1. In fact, they have been pretty humble about what their car car do. They let us know the final hp and tq numbers and that their car was bench marked on the Ford GT and a bit on the Boss. They stated it is faster than the Ford GT in a roadcourse, never that I know of, mentioned the ZL1. They have pretty much taken the high road vs GM and found no need to rally the troops with videos, letter, etc. They will let their
Pony do the smack talking for them. I have always said, the ZL1 may end up slower in any venue but the ZL1 will be easier to drive and go fast on, especially for people like me who love the roadcourse and this is why i have no desire or the new snake and the ZL1 will replace my
SS. If the new GT500 ends up only a a tenth or two faster than the current GT500 then that would be a great shame but Ford hasn't been overly boastful about what it can do. I like my SS but it's a fat slow pig that is good at only long sweepers without after market suspension help. I love my GT500 but can't use all that power without nice DRs and despite SVT's magic on the SRA set up, I do wish for an IRS as icing on the cake. Knowing my driving preference, the ZL1 is my pick for my next toy, why not the Boss? Simply because the Camaro has always been my fav but I'm not one who cant have an open mind to any arguments against it.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

True. Here the thing, I haven't heard Ford boast that their GT500 will outperform the ZL1. In fact, they have been pretty humble about what their car car do. They let us know the final hp and tq numbers and that their car was bench marked on the Ford GT and a bit on the Boss. They stated it is faster than the Ford GT in a roadcourse, never that I know of, mentioned the ZL1. They have pretty much taken the high road vs GM and found no need to rally the troops with videos, letter, etc. They will let their
Pony do the smack talking for them. I have always said, the ZL1 may end up slower in any venue but the ZL1 will be easier to drive and go fast on, especially for people like me who love the roadcourse and this is why i have no desire or the new snake and the ZL1 will replace my
SS. If the new GT500 ends up only a a tenth or two faster than the current GT500 then that would be a great shame but Ford hasn't been overly boastful about what it can do. I like my SS but it's a fat slow pig that is good at only long sweepers without after market suspension help. I love my GT500 but can't use all that power without nice DRs and despite SVT's magic on the SRA set up, I do wish for an IRS as icing on the cake. Knowing my driving preference, the ZL1 is my pick for my next toy, why not the Boss? Simply because the Camaro has always been my fav but I'm not one who cant have an open mind to any arguments against it.

When you can afford both does it really matter? LOL

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Blue Menace

Unfortunately, I believe you aren't seeing clearly. And, you aren't alone. Lately, if someone questions the validity of a claim or (gasp) points out confusing and/or contradictory information, they are branded outright as trolls or enemies of GM, believing them to be liars. (I was accused of being one of the latter.)

I am hoping that we can soon return to congenial debate and healthy scepticism.

I think it was Redline Motorsports who said they got a 12.04 out of the ZL1 stock, then a guy's dad got a 12.02, now Chevy says an 11.93.

I suppose there could be a conspiracy between tuners, GM, and dads, but I'd put my money on the ZL1 actually producing the numbers.

And debates go both ways. If you don't want to believe something, that's cool. Personally, I see more than disbelief in a lot of these negative posts (especially the one I quoted). There's a lot of denial going on too.

[JimmyDeanSausage]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

I think it was Redline Motorsports who said they got a 12.04 out of the ZL1 stock

That claim turned out to be false, if you'll go back and look at the thread.

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

True. Here the thing, I haven't heard Ford boast that their GT500 will outperform the ZL1. In fact, they have been pretty humble about what their car car do. They let us know the final hp and tq numbers and that their car was bench marked on the Ford GT and a bit on the Boss. They stated it is faster than the Ford GT in a roadcourse, never that I know of, mentioned the ZL1. They have pretty much taken the high road vs GM and found no need to rally the troops with videos, letter, etc. They will let their
Pony do the smack talking for them. I have always said, the ZL1 may end up slower in any venue but the ZL1 will be easier to drive and go fast on, especially for people like me who love the roadcourse and this is why i have no desire or the new snake and the ZL1 will replace my
SS. If the new GT500 ends up only a a tenth or two faster than the current GT500 then that would be a great shame but Ford hasn't been overly boastful about what it can do. I like my SS but it's a fat slow pig that is good at only long sweepers without after market suspension help. I love my GT500 but can't use all that power without nice DRs and despite SVT's magic on the SRA set up, I do wish for an IRS as icing on the cake. Knowing my driving preference, the ZL1 is my pick for my next toy, why not the Boss? Simply because the Camaro has always been my fav but I'm not one who cant have an open mind to any arguments against it.

I definitely agree that Ford hasn't engaged Chevy and the ZL1 like Chevy has with Ford and the new 2013 GT500, and Ford let others do the talking and speculation for them prior to the real release of the car. I wasn't even questioning your interest or enthusiasm in the respective cars, just hoping for an even level of skepticism across the board as more is released about the 2013 GT500.

Now that you mention it, I likewise remain skeptical that the 2013 GT500 will be superior to the Ford GT from a purely handling/road course perspective simply because that is what Ford tells me. Unless they compared it to a Ford GT on 7 year-old dry-rotted tires , I joke about the dry-rotted part. Overall weight, center of gravity, polar moment of inertia, aerodynamics, surely are all superior on the Ford GT. Plain and simple physics favor the Ford GT. And even with the new 662hp rating, the 2013 GT500 still is within ~0.5 lbs/hp of the Ford GT. And I won't easily accept some random GT500 track time in 2012/2013 as definitive proof over a Ford GT track time posted back in 2004/2005.

It is an easy claim for Ford to make, and one that is difficult for anyone to prove considering no more Ford GTs and all the available track results are 6 years old or more. Besides what a great way for 2013 GT500 owners to justify their $55k purchase than to say they bought a car that performs better than the Ford GT supercar which cost (and still costs) over $100k. I mean these claims really go both ways... they all offer kool-aid, just different flavors of kool-aid, but make no mistake it is still kool-aid and it is laced with potassium cyanide .

Anyway most company claims are a little bit suspect to me, and given how much car companies lavish magazines, auto journalists, bloggers, and reviewers with free vacations to release events, press cars, long-term testers etc., even print sources can be/are suspect to me.

I'm all about letting the great masses of people speak for the results of the car. I especially love car forum fast lists, practically all car forums have them; as long as people don't ignore everything expect the fastest two or three times. Unfortunately that also really only applies to 1/4 mile times, not enough people track cars on roadcourses, and even those that do drive different layouts, lengths, and not to mention that the day-to-day and year-to-year environmental impacts have a much greater impact on road courses than drag strips. So unfortunately we will still have to bear with people comparing VIR lap times from one year to the next when they really shouldn't be. As a road-course guy yourself I think you would likely agree.

Anyway, it seems we agree in principle that taking cars off the dealer lot is the preferable way to go for real results so I'll quit rambling.

[ParisTNDude]

It seems to me the ZL1 developers have been fairly open about the capabilities of the ZL1 down to the videos showing it's performance potential both at the drag strip and on road courses. The videos even teach you how to replicate the performance numbers they profess. I believe the GT500 is a great car and if it outperforms the ZL1 on every performance measure it will be good in the end for performance car enthusiasts. We will see better 1/4 mile times from the ZL1 and I guarantee you the next issue of all the major car magazines will have at least a comparison between the current GT500 and the ZL1.

[capnkirk52]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

It seems to me the ZL1 developers have been fairly open about the capabilities of the ZL1 down to the videos showing it's performance potential both at the drag strip and on road courses. The videos even teach you how to replicate the performance numbers they profess. I believe the GT500 is a great car and if it outperforms the ZL1 on every performance measure it will be good in the end for performance car enthusiasts. We will see better 1/4 mile times from the ZL1 and I guarantee you the next issue of all the major car magazines will have at least a comparison between the current GT500 and the ZL1.

That's the point. GM's numbers have not proven to be "real world" numbers. The "7:41" in Germany, the claim of 120+ trap speeds, and now the "11.93"

Ok, the "7:41" may not have been disproven yet but with heatsoak issues like LPE just had going 200mph, how much heat soak was going on after five minutes of hard driving in Germany? Most people can put 2 and 2 together.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Zee Elle Juan Fan

The 2013 gt500 isn't going to touch the 11's just can't get power to the ground like the ZL1 and lacks the technology!
Al O was right!!

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Based on name, post count and wording

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Zee Elle Juan Fan

you jelly? ZL1 is a beast.

I cry myself to sleep every night.... I say, "Why!? Why Lord?! Why do I only have this lowly SS????"

[HPT BANDIT]

Too much faith in magnetic suspension, you have.

[SlingShot]

For Ford's sake, I hope they can beat the ZL1 because they don't have another horse in the race.

[2ndCamaro79]

I don't think Chevy started boasting or calling Ford out, until Ford took the LOWGROUND and released its HP numbers on the day GM released their numbers. Ford made this a us vs them not chevy.

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by capnkirk52

That's the point. GM's numbers have not proven to be "real world" numbers. The "7:41" in Germany, the claim of 120+ trap speeds, and now the "11.93"

Ok, the "7:41" may not have been disproven yet but with heatsoak issues like LPE just had going 200mph, how much heat soak was going on after five minutes of hard driving in Germany? Most people can put 2 and 2 together.

But the LPE car had boost turned up which also makes more heat. Just need to upgrade cooling system also. The stock cooling system would handle stock boost better. Mods leads to needing more mods

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Zee Elle Juan Fan

The ZL1 is tuned for the dragstip, it will beat the fraud gt500!

^directly from GM, so it's not a ROAD COURSE ONLY car.

in Al O. we trust
His simulations are high tech stuff, can't be wrong. come on.

Are you related to f e r?