Livernois ZL1 first in the 9's!! 9.8@142.4

[67motorcat]

Originally Posted by ChuckD

For the comments about the 1.9-liter supercharger being too small, I don't think that's the case. GM was running relatively low boost - there's a lot of room to grow if you can keep the temperatures under control. For perspective, I believe the LSA runs somewhere around PR of 1.6. Livernois is running PR over 2. It looks like there's room for more boost, but the temperature rise gets pretty severe at that point.

I love my little 1.9 liter red headed step child......

[Big Top Gt]

Originally Posted by Rick@Livernois

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I'm at the track now and just made the pass... details to follow

4,295 lbs with driver!

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Specs:

Delivered by Rodger’s Chevrolet 4-27-12 (yes, we’ve only had it 2 weeks!)
2012 ZL1 Auto trans - Full weight with exception of wheels/tires
100% stock suspension
Stock trans w/ Livernois specific trans calibration
Stock catback
4,295 lbs. with driver
240 Miles

Mods:

Livernois Motorsports In-House CNC LSA Cylinder Heads
Livernois Motorsports Stage 2C High Lift Camshaft
Livernois Motorsports LSA Head Studs (Available soon)
Livernois Motorsports Exclusive Heat Exchanger (Available soon)
Livernois Motorsports Solid Supercharger Coupler
Livernois Motorsports Supercharger Pulley
Livernois Motorsports Exclusive Steel Idler Relocation Bracket w/ Metco Pulleys (Available soon)
Livernois Motorsports Spec’d Injectors
Livernois Motorsports Dual Fuel Pump Upgrade
Precision Industries Converter Built to Livernois Specs
Metco Oversize Crank Pulley Ring
Innovators West Oversize Balancer
Rotofab/Livernois Cold Air Intake (Available soon)
Stainless Works Longtube Headers & Connection Pipe
Hardened Pushrods
NGK TR6 Spark Plugs
160 Degree T-Stat
GM 90mm Throttle Body
Bogart 17” Wheels w/ Slicks & Skinnies
Livernois Motorsports Dyno Tune


-Rick

Congrats guys!!!

It's crazy to me just how fast people are running these things and how quickly you're all getting there, given the minimal mods and incredible weight you have to move.

I'm down in South Florida and my company is doing some carbon work for Redline Motorsports, so I've been fortunate enough to see some of the development first hand. Like I said, the pace is incredible. (and I'm sure it's the same for you guys, mad well as other shops out there trying to crack these things open.)

Car arrives on Monday, gets flogged on the dyno and at the track for baseline numbers, then comes back to the shop Monday night for a round of mods to be installed.

Then it's right back to the track on Tuesday. (I'm exaggerating, of course, but you know what I mean.)

As an aside, I still can't believe the Redline Car is running 10.20's in this heat. (we're already seeing high 80's down here in hell. ) IIRC, they were seeing those times with a DA around 2000 and untouched heads. :eek: (you didn't hear it from me, but when I was there last week I'm pretty sure I saw some ported TVS 1900's on a bench with some other billet witchcraft hanging around. It's a good time to be a ZL-1 fanboy. Ha!)

I think I need to sell more carbon to buy a ZL-1.

[Big Top Gt]

And for the haters out there: if you can get YOUR cars in the 9's for under $10k, let's see it.

So far as I can tell, the formula is a cam ($3000 with hardware & install)smaller pulley ($100), ditch the stock air box for a bigger "CAI" tube ($500) headers ($1800 with install-ish), a tune ($500), and in the case here with Livernois, a set of ported heads. (maybe $2000-3000???)

*BOOM* low 10's to high 9's.

I hate to call $10k or less a "budget build", but that's damn cheap to go that fast in a car with less than a month on the streets.

Especially when you consider the damn thing weighs TWO TONS!!!

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by Big Top Gt

And for the haters out there: if you can get YOUR cars in the 9's for under $10k, let's see it.

So far as I can tell, the formula is a cam ($3000 with hardware & install)smaller pulley ($100), ditch the stock air box for a bigger "CAI" tube ($500) headers ($1800 with install-ish), a tune ($500), and in the case here with Livernois, a set of ported heads. (maybe $2000-3000???)

*BOOM* low 10's to high 9's.

I hate to call $10k or less a "budget build", but that's damn cheap to go that fast in a car with less than a month on the streets.

Especially when you consider the damn thing weighs TWO TONS!!!

If they all can indeed do that with only those mods i completly agree!!

[RoketRdr]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

WOW!!! Well it looks like my "assumption" was pretty spot on!!! Its making AROUND 16lbs (could be 15.6-16.2) and i said 15. Damn im good.

You said "Could have been 25 for all we know. And yes this 1.9L blower has made over 20psi in CTS-V's and ZR1's with no issue."

You do realize the LSA and LS9 use DIFFERENT sized blowers dont you??
LSA=1.9L
LS9=2.3L

I DARE you to show me ONE ctsv making 25lbs of boost with the stock blower! I'll be waiting.



Thanks for the clarification Rick. Quick question. Since ive just learned that you can spin the 1.9L blower on the lsa to 20lbs, no wait 25lbs. Why are yall holding back?? All you gotta do is throw some larger fuel pumps/injectors in there and spin the 1.9L blower to 25lbs and make OVER 1000rwhp!!! Who needs procharger,whipple,kenne bell, or even a turbo when you have 1.9L roots?!!!

Im gonna go inform Tony Schumacher to take off that big goofy expensive blower and order this blower from GM and save a ton of cash. All he has to do is make sure the 1.9L has enough nitro going to it! LMAO

I'm quite well aware of the blower sizes since I've owned both cars...you missed the point. Once again you've proven you have no idea what boost is and it has little to do with the size (capacity) of the blower. No one said they were making 25psi of boost and you're trying to twist words to say what you want them to. It was a reference to point out your speculation and assumption with no fact. You missed the point which is not surprising because you still don't know what boost represents. And it won't take long for you to go do you're own homework and find that plenty of CTS-V's and ZR1's have been making 20psi of boost. Not going to hold your hand for you and respond to your misguided ego. You being uneducated on the matter isn't my fault and doesn't constitute a 'problem' for me to solve. And if you had read his mod sheet you would've seen that Livernois did run larger injectors and an additional fuel pump which is the purpose behind adding a supercharger or increasing boost to and internal combustion engine to begin with. Additional air means nothing without the additional fuel to burn. But you've still shown us that you don't know what boost is and what purpose it serves so I guess this is a mute point. Especially when you try to compare a daily street driven engine to a top fuel dragster. What's ironic about the purpose of your posts is that you have tried to prove that Livervois didn't achieve the 9.8 sec 142mph pass with the mods they listed and factory blower. You still haven't done it, because you can't, and you're still wrong. So this has been an exercise in trying to educate the unteachable. Now back to the regularly scheduled program.

[v8chick02]

Nice job Livernois! You guys sure know your stuff!

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by RoketRdr

I'm quite well aware of the blower sizes since I've owned both cars...you missed the point. Once again you've proven you have no idea what boost is and it has little to do with the size (capacity) of the blower. No one said they were making 25psi of boost and you're trying to twist words to say what you want them to. It was a reference to point out your speculation and assumption with no fact. You missed the point which is not surprising because you still don't know what boost represents. And it won't take long for you to go do you're own homework and find that plenty of CTS-V's and ZR1's have been making 20psi of boost. Not going to hold your hand for you and respond to your misguided ego. You being uneducated on the matter isn't my fault and doesn't constitute a 'problem' for me to solve. And if you had read his mod sheet you would've seen that Livernois did run larger injectors and an additional fuel pump which is the purpose behind adding a supercharger or increasing boost to and internal combustion engine to begin with. Additional air means nothing without the additional fuel to burn. But you've still shown us that you don't know what boost is and what purpose it serves so I guess this is a mute point. Especially when you try to compare a daily street driven engine to a top fuel dragster. What's ironic about the purpose of your posts is that you have tried to prove that Livervois didn't achieve the 9.8 sec 142mph pass with the mods they listed and factory blower. You still haven't done it, because you can't, and you're still wrong. So this has been an exercise in trying to educate the unteachable. Now back to the regularly scheduled program.

Dude what are you talking about? I dont know what boost is? Are u serious?? I dont know what it is yet i guessed damn near the exact boost the car was running givin the engines displacement,the blowers displacement, and the mods done to the engine. Yet i dont know what boost is?

You've made a claim that theyre plenty of LS9's and LSA's that are making 20lbs and more with the 1.9L blower. Even though the LS9 doesnt have a 1.9L blower! You said it not me. I twisted no words around. Those are your ignorant words not mine. Take responsibility for them.

Since you made such a ignorant claim i have called you out on it. Now you want to act like you dont have to educate me on something your actually very ignorant to. Its a cop out. You will not prove it cause you CANT!

Boost has A LOT to do with the size of the blower. If you throw that tiny 1.9L blower on a 427 do you really think its going to be capable of making the same amount of boost on a 370ci engine?Hell no!! You can only spin a blower so much. The 1.9l blower can only move so much air. The 1.9L blower will max out at much lower boost than say a 4.0L blower! That is why im TELLING you there is NO 1.9L blower making 25psi on a 6.2L engine. You sir said yourself that this thing could be making 25psi for all we know. Well im telling you from what i KNOW its impossible. Also from what i KNOW i said the car would be making 15lbs, and guess what?! I was spot on. Now let me call you out again. Im saying i KNOW what im talking about and you dont know ANYTHING.Now prove me wrong and show me a 1.9L blower making 25lbs on a 6.2L engine.

It really doesnt surprise me that you werent quick enough to catch this but the 1.9L blower on a Top Fuel was SARCASM.

Also just because youve owned both cars doesnt make you an expert on them. Its just means you have more money than brains. Obviously. Sheesh.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Rick@Livernois

As I stated earlier, this is a common package for CTS-V's and we hope it is for ZL1 owners as well. We have several SS's in the shop now spending much more on a build then we have in this car. Some people have more in mods than the car costs new, but it's thier hobby and passion and they can spend their hard earned money however they want.

-Rick

Congrats! In my opinion "real value" is gaining performance with the least dollars spent. Congrats again to both you and GM.

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by RoketRdr

Could have been 25 for all we know. And yes this 1.9L blower has made over 20psi in CTS-V's and ZR1's with no issue.

For the record...the 1.9L blower used in the CTS-V, ZR1 and ZL1 uses a 4-lobe 160* design which is far more thermally efficient than conventional blowers and has almost the same power efficiency as a turbo.

LMAO!!! Your words not mine. So explain to me how the 1.9 has made over 20psi in a ZR1 when it doesnt come in the ZR1??

[BiggFoot]

Originally Posted by Rick@Livernois

Stock bottom end.. Making around 16 lbs of boost.

Rick

Great job Livernois!! Rick, do you really feel like the long tubes with stock cat backs is helping with the bottom line (hp) enough to offset the cost ~2k. I assume this baby will still pass the emissions tests when all is said and done?

[FAST ZL1]

Just amazing. 9's are just crazy for a car weighing over 2000 pounds. I just don't understand how anybody can trash a car that halls the mail like that. I have friends that have spent alot more on mods than this and aren't even in the 10's. I for one am impressed that I can spend a little over 10K and be running high 9's to low 10's. I am probably going to be looking at Livernois this fall. I have one question. If the car is running this fast will you be offering a roll bar as well?

[Andy@Livernois]

Originally Posted by BiggFoot

Great job Livernois!! Rick, do you really feel like the long tubes with stock cat backs is helping with the bottom line (hp) enough to offset the cost ~2k. I assume this baby will still pass the emissions tests when all is said and done?

The long tubes for sure are worth it, on this type of build on an SS they would be worth an easy 40-50, the ZL1 has a SLIGHTLY better manifold/cat assembly, but the power gains would be similar. As for emissions, if you have a sniffer test, there is no way it'll pass unfortunately.

Originally Posted by FAST ZL1

Just amazing. 9's are just crazy for a car weighing over 2000 pounds. I just don't understand how anybody can trash a car that halls the mail like that. I have friends that have spent alot more on mods than this and aren't even in the 10's. I for one am impressed that I can spend a little over 10K and be running high 9's to low 10's. I am probably going to be looking at Livernois this fall. I have one question. If the car is running this fast will you be offering a roll bar as well?

We do cage fabrication all the time, so that would be no issue!

[redsap05]

So heres the million dollar question and my appologies if I missed it earlier in the post but how much boost? Race gas? Meth?

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Andy@Livernois

The long tubes for sure are worth it, on this type of build on an SS they would be worth an easy 40-50, the ZL1 has a SLIGHTLY better manifold/cat assembly, but the power gains would be similar. As for emissions, if you have a sniffer test, there is no way it'll pass unfortunately.



We do cage fabrication all the time, so that would be no issue!

Congrats Guys Nice Job!!!

I assume you will have this car at C5fest, with a full cage, window net, seat belts, engine diaper, and battery shut off, so you can run it legally