So what do I have to do to beat a 5.0

[cbass]

That less than 1% of the MT82 equipped cars (GT and V6 have issues), but it seems like thousands of TR6060 equipped cars have an issue with shifting into second over 5000 rpm?

Did you see me put a number on any of this? Let me ask you. Where are you getting your numbers from? How do you know 1% of MT82's are affected compared to thousands of TR6060?

You haven't answered my question, what did your car run with those basic bolt ons? Which this is the main topic of the thread, you decided to go on a quest to derail it with quality issues that affect a small portion of the cars.

Did you see my call BS on any of those times? The mustangs are able to run 11's with bolt-ons. Nice job.

Actually you were the first to start getting defensive and call people names, but now that you have been verbally PWND you are calling foul.

When and where did I start calling people names?

In regards to the transmission when the mustang first came out my mind was blown by the fact that they didn't put the TR 6060 in it. As far as the MT 82 is concerned I believe along with the other mustang owner that there were some quality control issues with the transmission when it first came out. They have since been eliminated. It should have almost been expected considering it was a completely new transmission. The 6060 was being used in several vehicles before going into the camaro. It had several problems in those other vehicles that were resolved before ending up in the camaro.

Why no MT82 in the 2013 GT500?

[Witt]

Originally Posted by cbass

Forging would be awesome, but I am not expecting a forged piston at these price levels. You can still have a cast piston that isn't a hypereutectic cast piston. In my opinion they respond poorly to any detonation and are more prone to detonation damage. This isn't just in a forged induction or nitrious environment, but also becomes a concern naturally aspirated. You have to watch carefully the gas quality and how agressive you get with a tune with hypereutectic pistons. Manufacturers like them because of a tighter cold-fit.

When silicon content is lowered, the piston is less detonation prone but more prone to scuffing and ring groove wear at low temps. In stock and mildly modified applications this becomes much more of a problem than detonation as it increases wear during cold starts and low ECT conditions, much more than a properly calibrated ECU with working knock sensors will wear a piston from detonation.

In this day and age, if you want a stronger cast piston without going to a forged offering you don't choose one that has a lower silicon content, you find one with a higher rating for the application. The rating is based on the blend of copper and nickel mixed into the alluminum/silicon alloy.

[Seer]

Originally Posted by GR8PUMKN

Don't you mean auto mustang or are the manuals going this fast? I can tell you that all times (3) I been to the track, mustangs were definitely faster than 5th gen camaros. Most camaros were 13 second cars. 2 of 20 or so were in 12s. Mine and a black one. I have bolt ons headers n tune. 12.60@118 my best. Other camaro was louder than mine and stick also ran 12.55. I didn't see one 5.0 mustang in 13s. All were mid 12 or low 12. I didn't see one go 11. Auto or stick. If auto you need a stall converter to run 11s mustang and hopefully camaro too.

if you go back a few pages, you'll see a slip posted from my MT82 2011 GT, that had cai, x pipe, tune, and drag radials, go 11.6

[Seer]

Originally Posted by cbass

Did you see me put a number on any of this? Let me ask you. Where are you getting your numbers from? How do you know 1% of MT82's are affected compared to thousands of TR6060?

Why no MT82 in the 2013 GT500?

Less than 1% is what the NHTSA found in their investigation. If I recall it was actually less than 0.25%. It does not meet a Six Sigma standard but it does pass quality, since the 2011 model year the MT82 has been slightly revised and I could've sworn the defect rate now matches Six Sigma numbers... aka 3.4 defects per million units.

The MT82 is less expensive than the TR6060 to manufacture, they make 4-6,000 GT500 a year, whereas they produce hundreds of thousands of V6/GT's. It is not good business sense.

For a stock vehicle the MT82 is more than perfect, as well as its tight gear ratio, keeps the car in it's constant power band. Whereas the TR6060 would require gearing of over 3.90 as well as overkill. The TR6060 is overkill for the Camaro and Challenger as well but suits them well.

From what I recall, GM flirted with the idea of using a Getrag variant of the MT82 for the Camaro before renewing their relationship with tremec, due to the Camaro's heavier curb weight the Tremec made more sense.

Remember the GT's range from 3550-3750lbs with a MT82.

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by GR8PUMKN

...If auto you need a stall converter to run 11s mustang and hopefully camaro too.

A converter will DEFINATELY help ET a great deal. However, several 2011+ 5.0 A6s have run well into the 11's with the stock converter and bolt-ons. Check out ModularFords.com or any number of other Mustang sites for lists, details, etc.

[KennyC]

Getrag actually builds some badass trannys. Yes they had problems with a few in the new mustangs but they are more or less ironed out now. I don't think some of y'all realize getrags came in Supras, multiple BMW's and many other high performance cars. Contrary to what some of you think on here they are VERY capable.

[GR8PUMKN]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

A converter will DEFINATELY help ET a great deal. However, several 2011+ 5.0 A6s have run well into the 11's with the stock converter and bolt-ons. Check out ModularFords.com or any number of other Mustang sites for lists, details, etc.

Then its settled!!!Mustangs are faster than camaros!! Just not as good looking!!

[cbass]

Less than 1% is what the NHTSA found in their investigation. If I recall it was actually less than 0.25%. It does not meet a Six Sigma standard but it does pass quality, since the 2011 model year the MT82 has been slightly revised and I could've sworn the defect rate now matches Six Sigma numbers... aka 3.4 defects per million units.

Not doubting you, but do you have a link? Here is what I have been able to find and the results published in NHTSA were not found by the NHTSA, but results found by Ford internally. Those say 3%.

The basics of Ford’s response to NHTSA investigation of the Mustang’s MT82 transmission:

• Ford was aware of the problems via direct communication from customers and monitoring of online forums
• Approximately three percent of transmissions were affected
• Ford investigated a variety of issues and found issues with cold shifting, the clutch plate bolt, clutch stayout, and 5th gear synchronization (detailed below)
• Each of the problems was addressed (detailed below)
• Many other factors resulted in the reporting of problems, including driver effect, the skip-shift feature, the influence of online forums, vehicle modifications and abuse.
• None of the issues caused a safety risk
• Ford has no plans for modifications related to the Mustang or the MT-82 6-speed manual transmission in the next 120 days

Any information on how many TR6060's are affected by issues?

The MT82 is less expensive than the TR6060 to manufacture, they make 4-6,000 GT500 a year, whereas they produce hundreds of thousands of V6/GT's. It is not good business sense.

Wouldn't that be a reason to switch to it? The v6 already uses the MT82. Why not standarize it? I think standardizing it would simplify things. Unless there is a reason they can't? Maybe it would take work to mate it to the existing GT500 powertrain? Insufficient for the GT500 power output?

Getrag actually builds some badass trannys. Yes they had problems with a few in the new mustangs but they are more or less ironed out now. I don't think some of y'all realize getrags came in Supras, multiple BMW's and many other high performance cars. Contrary to what some of you think on here they are VERY capable.

Those Getrags were made in Germany. Either way I don't think the German brands have very good track records for reliability. I think the Getrags have their fair share of issues even on BMWs.

[cbass]

Then its settled!!!Mustangs are faster than camaros!!

Running 11's with simple bolt-ons. Yes. I was trying to figure out what had the biggest effect on them being faster. I personally don't believe it's the LS3 motor that's holding back the camaro.

[Seer]

Originally Posted by cbass

Not doubting you, but do you have a link? Here is what I have been able to find and the results published in NHTSA were not found by the NHTSA, but results found by Ford internally. Those say 3%.

NHTSA found that in their investigation the issue was to mild to open a recall. It was published to be under 1%. Again it started by a few angry owners who got denied warranty service and threatened to open up class action suits. It is too circumstantial to estimate on why they were denied... but I am going to say they were modded etc.

Originally Posted by cbass

Any information on how many TR6060's are affected by issues?

Remember the TR6060 issue was affecting all brands, GT500, Corvette, Challenger and Viper. It was not a Ford, GM or Chevy issue, it was a Tremec design issue. None of the manufacturers will release a TSB on it since it is a supply issue and they want Tremec to pony up for a fix. Do some research and you'll see the issue is primarily sitting with the Viper and GT500 guys, but it does in fact affect a few Corvettes and Challengers too. I know it was fixed in 2011 for the Vette by replacing the syncros with carbon fiber units. Ford is doing this on case by case basis for cars coming in for warranty work.

Originally Posted by cbass

Wouldn't that be a reason to switch to it? The v6 already uses the MT82. Why not standarize it? I think standardizing it would simplify things. Unless there is a reason they can't? Maybe it would take work to mate it to the existing GT500 powertrain? Insufficient for the GT500 power output?

GT500 creates a lot more torque down low than the GT and V6 do. Remember, Ford, Chevy, Dodge etc only engineer the components to work at stock power levels.

MT82 has a lower torque rating than the TR6060.

Originally Posted by cbass

Those Getrags were made in Germany. Either way I don't think the German brands have very good track records for reliability. I think the Getrags have their fair share of issues even on BMWs.

Getrag, designed in Germany made in China. Tremec, designed in America made in Mexico.

The MT82 is an amazing transmission and holds very well to the power that the modified GT's are putting out. Is it better than the TR6060? No, I don't think so, but it is a good light weight alternative with a good stock tight gearing ratio.

Originally Posted by cbass

Running 11's with simple bolt-ons. Yes. I was trying to figure out what had the biggest effect on them being faster. I personally don't believe it's the LS3 motor that's holding back the camaro.

What is holding back the camaro is its weight and suspension.

[Deki]

^ The GT500 doesn't use the MT82 due to the torque limits of the MT82. I think it's already almost maxed out with the Coyote in front of it.

[Seer]

Originally Posted by Deki

^ The GT500 doesn't use the MT82 due to the torque limits of the MT82. I think it's already almost maxed out with the Coyote in front of it.

It's rated torque limits ya. We know from real world results the MT82 holds up pretty well to about 550rwhp as well as the stock clutch. But if one broke, it wouldnt surprise me.

[cbass]

What is holding back the camaro is its weight and suspension.

Personally I think it's the IRS compared to the live axle that's holding it back more than the weight difference, but I have zero proof of that so I'm just wildly speculating.

[cbass]

Remember the TR6060 issue was affecting all brands, GT500, Corvette, Challenger and Viper. It was not a Ford, GM or Chevy issue, it was a Tremec design issue. None of the manufacturers will release a TSB on it since it is a supply issue and they want Tremec to pony up for a fix. Do some research and you'll see the issue is primarily sitting with the Viper and GT500 guys, but it does in fact affect a few Corvettes and Challengers too. I know it was fixed in 2011 for the Vette by replacing the syncros with carbon fiber units. Ford is doing this on case by case basis for cars coming in for warranty work.

Has it been narrowed down to carbon blockers? I thought some with carbon blockers still had the issue and it was more a problem with the hydraulics of the clutch than the synchros? I haven't seen an "official" solution thread though.

Also, if I am not mistaken I see the same brass blockers in the MT82 that were in the TR6060 before going to carbon blockers. Am I wrong about the brass blockers in the MT82? If not, then why aren't they an issue in the MT82?