Inside Line: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

So going around a 25 mph hairpin a 50 mph isn't illegal.

If the speed limit is fifty it still is. As long as they don't have it marked as a 25 mph turn.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by tooslow

It's also against the law to drive above 30mph at Deal's Gap/Tail of the Dragon, which is what one would assume you are referring to when you say "driven in the mountains of East TN". Even if you were not, I cannot think of a curvy, mountain road in E TN where the posted speed limit is above 40mph. If you're taking a 25mph hairpin at 50mph, you're breaking the law as much as the guy racing stoplight-to-stoplight.

Probably a much larger fine and possible jail time for the latter.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by tooslow

It's also against the law to drive above 30mph at Deal's Gap/Tail of the Dragon, which is what one would assume you are referring to when you say "driven in the mountains of East TN". Even if you were not, I cannot think of a curvy, mountain road in E TN where the posted speed limit is above 40mph. If you're taking a 25mph hairpin at 50mph, you're breaking the law as much as the guy racing stoplight-to-stoplight.

Lol many more mountians roads than that around here .... I may get a fine but I won't have my car taken away for drag racing....

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Probably a much larger fine and possible jail time for the latter.

Around here the law can take your car and crush it if you are caught racing another vehicle, whether drag racing or street racing as in fast and furious. But if you are alone more than likely you will just be fined for speeding.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Deki

Multi quote for the love of god lol

Sorry eating and answering as I read.

[Angrybird 12]

This thread is just going around in circles now. Have fun and don't get dizzy!!!

[nanokpsi]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Wow, are some living and dying by numbers? Sad!
I'm about enjoying what I have and not worrying what some may think. Oh my his car is faster by .3 seconds...really??? Very and I mean VERY few are that good.

I was just explaining why you can't use Inside Line's back road experiences as a predictor what will happen on a road course. Personlly, I think it is stupid to use road course times at since none of these cars will be professionally raced. Most will just blow off steam and money at HPDE if they hit a road course at all.

Originally Posted by Deki

Multi quote for the love of god lol

lolz

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Lol many more mountians roads than that around here .... I may get a fine but I won't have my car taken away for drag racing....

I had a friend get a street racing ticket when he was the only car involved. They said he was "racing against time". I thought that was a humongous crock of crap. Aren't we always racing agasint time, regardless of how fast we are driving??

Keep in mind you don't have be be racing another car to enjoy the more intense acceleration. To me, it was fun to go WOT in my old 2008 mustang gt. It is probably more fun in a ZR1, and I am sure going WOT in a Veyron could have me laughing in amusement. The moral of this story, the faster the car, the more fun it is to press the skinny pedal, and there are usually plenty of opportunities to do so no matter where you are driving

[8cd03gro]

I drive a lot of canyon roads myself and I really hope nobody attempts to take either of these cars anywhere near their limits on public roads. Quick turns yes, too aggressive NO! On a track you have sand/grass if you go off and known street conditions. In the canyons you have gravel, dirt, blind oncoming traffic, animals, and if you go off the road you have trees and big drops, at least where I am. Take it sleazy on those back roads people, don't want to hear about any of you getting yourselves killed. If you are going to be reckless on public roads, at least make sure to have a scout car up ahead talking to a passenger in your car. No need to take anyone with you when you go.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

They must be worth extra BIG $$$$$$$

[NOT that this has EVER been typed before] They're worth about as much as any TWO BOSS anythings...

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by Deki

Multi quote for the love of god lol

Originally Posted by Deki

I'm pretty sure he was saying...

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[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Haven't we already talked about this? You can't compare lap times from different days, let alone different YEARS, especially when they're that close, and draw a conclusion. There's a two second gap between a z06 and grand sport on the lightning lap lists in favor of the GRAND SPORT. They weren't run the same day, or even the same year, but hey the grand sport must be faster on track than the z06, right?

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2012-page-8

Look at some of the times put up on that list and tell me they're all accurate in regard to what happens when the cars are actually pitted against each other.

The only time the boss has been matched up with the gt500 on track, it was slower.

Time for a SURVEY:

1) Lightning Lap? YES, or NO?

2) Inside Line results? YES, or NO?

3) "Only when I like the results, regardless of source"? YES, or NO?

4) "Only if it involves no more than 1320 ft., and only in a straight line"? YES, or NO?

5) "I always speak more clearly, just after a visit to my proctologist"? YES, or NO?

Answers will be tabulated, and the Results posted. Thank you for your participation...

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

OK, got it. Step 1) wait for a mag review to post a crappy time. Step 2) release the real video.

Interesting strategy. I prefer GMs strategy where they jump directly to step 2.

You mean like they did with their quarter mile tests? IIRC, GM released its video proclaiming 11.9 on the stock tires only after repeated mid-to-low 12-second runs by various magazines/ezines.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Time for a SURVEY:

1) Lightning Lap? YES, or NO?

2) Inside Line results? YES, or NO?

3) "Only when I like the results, regardless of source"? YES, or NO?

4) "Only if it involves no more than 1320 ft., and only in a straight line"? YES, or NO?

5) "I always speak more clearly, just after a visit to my proctologist"? YES, or NO?

Answers will be tabulated, and the Results posted. Thank you for your participation...

Let's just cut the chit chat and I'll ask you a question to which I already know the answer.

Can you look at a chevy emblem without popping wood?

Your contribution is about as valuable as your English is comprehensible. Funny you decided not to comment on the Grand Sport being faster than the z06. Very telling. Even more interesting you would bring up 1/4 mile and insideline's zl1 vs gt500 comparison, as if that has anything to do with the boss and gt500. Just keep trying to stir up crap, you do a fantastic job pettifogging any real discussion.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Haven't we already talked about this? You can't compare lap times from different days, let alone different YEARS, especially when they're that close, and draw a conclusion. There's a two second gap between a z06 and grand sport on the lightning lap lists in favor of the GRAND SPORT. They weren't run the same day, or even the same year, but hey the grand sport must be faster on track than the z06, right?

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2012-page-8

Look at some of the times put up on that list and tell me they're all accurate in regard to what happens when the cars are actually pitted against each other.

The only time the boss has been matched up with the gt500 on track, it was slower.

the grand sport has superior tire and and it also has the mag ride. It is down on power but up on handling in some ways over the older Z06.

I don't know if same day the grand sport would really be faster than my generation Z06 on a track but it could be closer than you think. In a drag race I would get killed but around a track they could be close.

the same way a novice driver could drive a boss faster. the only tests I have seen the GT500 lap faster than the Boss were same day but also proffesionally driven.

I fully agree though the same day tests are the best guage. then again people don't like the results.

the same day skid pad number from the ZL-1 to GT500 were a landslide victory for the ZL1 yet everone wants to say they mean nothing. yet there were almost identical difffernt day to differnt day so all the ford people were like see the GT500 has the same road holding.

kind of ironic from my perspective. when the first test was run the skid pad number validated the GT500. then when they did head to head same day they somehow don't matter anymore.