Inside Line: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

Jesus man. Ok so they had the cars for two days and DID NOT mention once that they hot lapped the cars. Not a single peep of this. But it perfectly fine for you to ASSUME that they did but its NOT ok for me to assume that they DIDNT??? Are you really that dense?

I'll go ahead and assume that they didnt since they DIDNT say that they did. Kinda makes sense now doesnt it?

If you really think a 4300lb supercharged car is a ideal auto x car then you know NOTHING about cars or racing. You say mumble something about heat soak as if your trying to downplay it as if it isnt an issue. Trust me its REAL! And it will def kill performance. Again if you dont know this then you really dont belong in this thread.

What 4,300lb car are you talking about?

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Betiwin

We should know in about week which car handles better. Both cars are at LSeca right now. The inside line review is a waste. Shelby is Z06 fast and the ZL1 inspires confindence. Not alot more can be assumed from the article they didnt track the cars. Now when Motor Trend lists the time for both of these cars around Laguna same day somebody is gonna eat crow. If its the ZL1 then we are looking at mass depression in here and if it's the Shelby with the slower time the ford guys are gonna have to finally cut the Z some respect as an auto X car. Soon this will be put to rest.

Mass depression What?

[Betiwin]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

What 4,300lb car are talking about?

ZL1 with driver.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Betiwin

ZL1 with driver.

S-t-r-e-t-c-h-I-n-g a little are we??? It makes you appear less than credible.

I will say the Recaros alone are probably good for 50lbs worth of savings.

[Betiwin]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Mass depression What?

Mass depression as this inside-line comparo is the one thing the ZL1 loyal have been able to throw there hat on. (Heck its the only thing to survive having the GT500 on the ZL1 section and not banashed to the "Mega-Thread.) Something to brag about over the Shelby. Look at the last 28 pages of chest thumping on how well the car handles over the Shelby to prove it. Now if the numbers from a REAL track come in and the Ford is faster the hat rack will not mean much. I honeslty don't know which car is faster around a decent track but I cant wait to read it, but if the Z is slower alot of wind is going out of peoples sales. If the ZL1 is faster MR is just short of the second coming, and bravo to GM.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by collins motorsport

Sorry to burst your bubble but the ZL1 was already a legendary nameplate, don't believe me? Look up the prices on one of the originals...

There were 69 ZL1s built in 1969. It's rare, not legendary.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

Did you really just type that?! Lol

Of course I did... if you had to choose which way would you want it.. call it like I see it...

Originally Posted by Blue Menace

No such luck. You gotta "dance with the date that brung ya."

The best part is it's super easy to up the power... The platform and handling not so much...

[Betiwin]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

S-t-r-e-t-c-h-I-n-g a little are we??? It makes you appear less than credible.

I will say the Recaros alone are probably good for 50lbs worth of savings.

I didn't use the numbers just its what I imagine he was saying. After all the car doesn't go without a driver. So the suspension and tires have to cope with that weight. So lets hope all Shelby owners are fat.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Betiwin

I didn't use the numbers just its what I imagine he was saying. After all the car doesn't go without a driver. So the suspension and tires have to cope with that weight. So lets hope all Shelby owners are fat.

I guess the Ford can drive itself since you listed its actual curb weight?!

[Betiwin]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I guess the Ford can drive itself since you listed its actual curb weight?!

Haha I didn't put 4300 number out there lol, im just guessing what the man was thinking.

Seriously tho, think about a ZL1 (4300) or a Shelby (4100) and then a Z06 with driver at 3380, insane they got the vette so light.

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

There were 69 ZL1s built in 1969. It's rare, not legendary.

And it dominated its class so.....
are you saying a car can't be both rare and legendary?

[evolve]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I know its only 24 lbs different but where did you get 4120?

Inside line has them at 4096 vs. 3869, which is 227 difference.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...l1-test-review

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/24/2...-drive-review/

You can trust Inside Line. Its still two to one.

[evolve]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

Yeah I saw that earlier. It's funny how the ford owners here latch on to stuff like this, but then when something such as the h2h boss vs. zl1 they forget about.

I mean think about it. What has been the main response from the ford camp since the inside line review? "We need same driver, same track, same conditions review on a real track by a professional driver." Which is how the original boss vs. zl1 comparison was done.

But that's not what we have here is it? Yet, the ford guys etch it into a plaque and whip it out as if it is the ultimate comparison.

Edit: I'm not saying the post is dishonest, but I do have a question that nags me. If the boss LS guy was his first time at a track, then what was he doing in racing slicks? This means he brought an extra set of rims I guess or he trailered his car. It's just a little odd to me. I mean, he obviously came prepared like he knew what he was doing. Or maybe the boss LS guy was not his first time to track. It's not clear who he's talking about.

He was NOT on slicks. He WAS on NT01s. FAR cry from a slick. Trust me, they're on my DD.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by Betiwin

I have never seen a stock mustang. I am being serious to! Stock vette yes, stock camaro not usually, stock mustang never.

My Mustangs are stock.