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derklug · 06-20-2012, 12:58 AM

I still think a guy with a Miata is going to make the unskilled Zl1 and GT500 drivers wonder why their superponies keep getting beat.

richtor · 06-20-2012, 01:10 AM

Comparing these times to times from other cars at this track is interesting. I would have thought that both cars would be faster with the credentialed driver they had? The base c6 ran 1.35.6. Why is the ZL1 9 seconds slower?

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/gi...n_raceway.html

richtor · 06-20-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Superfly

I google’d "Griggs Racing" and the first thing that came up was info about them going into bankruptcy. If you have more information about this particular GT500 I would love to hear about it (seriously, I’m not being sarcastic).

Griggs is a serious racing suspension. Their SLA front suspension handles great with tons of grip. Here are a couple vids of the Virginia City Hill Climb.

mdmoore23 · 06-20-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by richtor

Comparing these times to times from other cars at this track is interesting. I would have thought that both cars would be faster with the credentialed driver they had? The base c6 ran 1.35.6. Why is the ZL1 9 seconds slower?

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/gi...n_raceway.html

I'm with this man. I don't think either one of these cars were driven to their full potential. A Pontiac solstice is faster? Come on. Fire this driver please. A win is a win but I think there are much better comparisons to come. I wish we could just get a good, lengthy comparison on these cars without all the BS. I mean 3 part tests, missing shifts, and statements like "I wanted the ZL1 to win" kind of discredit his for me. Why use the lap for the article that you missed shifts on? Did this guy only get one run per car or something?

BAD ZL1 · 06-20-2012, 01:49 AM

WWAD? Lol, what would an auto do on this same track, same driver? No missing gears, and the other car doesn't offer an auto. ZL1 with its more weight, less HP wins by even more. Something to be said about handling. Chalk it up for the auto guys like me that realize manual is old school, fun, but taking a back seat this day and age to better technology with auto and paddle shift... Tests and todays race transmissions are proving auto rules.

NurburgZL1 · 06-20-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mdmoore23

I'm with this man. I don't think either one of these cars were driven to their full potential. A Pontiac solstice is faster? Come on. Fire this driver please. A win is a win but I think there are much better comparisons to come. I wish we could just get a good, lengthy comparison on these cars without all the BS. I mean 3 part tests, missing shifts, and statements like "I wanted the ZL1 to win" kind of discredit his for me. Why use the lap for the article that you missed shifts on? Did this guy only get one run per car or something?

Try researching some more guys.
According to the Gingerman raceway site they updated the track..

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2011 Season Updates

We have added a new section of the track that will dramatically increase top speeds and offer multiple configurations, including a new counter-clockwise layout.
Original Configuration:* 1.88 Miles
Extended Configuration:* 2.14 Miles

SVTGOD · 06-20-2012, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

Fine...nothing by Ford. Why not? They seemed to take the trouble to post the 1/4 mile times. Seriously...I consider this a failure by Ford to be up front about the performance of the car by hiding where it isn't as strong. The ZL1 posted these times pretty damn quickly.

Seriously, I think you need to start looking at Ford as to why they didn't.

Now that real world tests are coming in, many in the Ford camp are discounting it...because it seems they were led to believe that the Shelby with it's improved handling over the 302 Boss would basically be a ZL1 killer at the track.

What kind of an automotive company advertises its weaknesses.

Fenderaddict2 · 06-20-2012, 08:16 AM

I still surprised that some are surprised that a car with 4 wheel independent suspension and MR shock control and larger tires can beat a car with a SRA and smaller tires. This outcome was always a given. Doesn't make the Shelby any less of an amazing car but it wouldn't be one you buy for beating down a road course. The drag results are now posted BTW

FNBADAZ06 · 06-20-2012, 08:18 AM

2nd installment - drag race.
cliff notes :
ZL1 12.38@114.5 MPH
GT500 11.78@125 MPH

2nd installment - drag race 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 vs 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 - At The Strip - Automobile Magazine

Fenderaddict2 · 06-20-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by derklug

I still think a guy with a Miata is going to make the unskilled Zl1 and GT500 drivers wonder why their superponies keep getting beat.

Fenderaddict2 · 06-20-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by doc7000

If you think about it, because the GT500 is good at the drag strip and the ZL1 good at the track this ensure that both cars will survive.

And that we should own both.

Fenderaddict2 · 06-20-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

IMO this review didn't and won't change anyone's mind about their preferred car. I also think age has a lot to due with perception of which would be the better car. To me the older a person gets, the more a balance in life is appreciated. I grew up going fast in a straight line and enjoyed it very much so when I was younger, now not as much. I like the comforts and balance when it comes to driving.

It kinda reminds me of the story of the young bull and old bull.

Young bull says to old bull, "how bout we run down this hill and shag us one of them heifers"

Old bull says to young bull, "how bout we walk down this hill and shag all them heifers"

Not sure about that. I'd almost written of the ZL1 for either another Boss or a 1LE. Now the ZL1 is on this Mustang fans shopping list again.
Age does make a difference, on how you see things ...

Not sure about that. I'd almost written of the ZL1 for either another Boss or a 1LE. Now the ZL1 is on this Mustang fans shopping list again.

A-little-perspective · 06-20-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

2nd installment - drag race.
cliff notes :
ZL1 12.38@114.5 MPH
GT500 11.78@125 MPH

2nd installment - drag race 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 vs 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 - At The Strip - Automobile Magazine

"The two have very distinct, individual ways of making it down the strip, but the common thread between the two is gratification. Every single pass in the GT500 and ZL1 was a ball, and was so involving that we couldn't care less about our time slips."

LOL wow!!! Can barely declare a winner only to say it's not about time slips, it's about the experience going down the track. Clearly the experience only matters if your car is losing. On the road course, well its all about time.

No point in waiting for the part 3. It is already clear the GT500 will never pull ahead.

Fenderaddict2 · 06-20-2012, 08:47 AM

It's a tie so far bud.

"Warring factions of people finally fessing up to the fact that the other side can do something right -- that's pretty cool."

06-20-2012, 12:58 AM	#141
derklug Drives: 12 Boss 302 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Posts: 1,369	I still think a guy with a Miata is going to make the unskilled Zl1 and GT500 drivers wonder why their superponies keep getting beat. __________________ The biggest mistakes in life come when you know exactly what you are doing.

06-20-2012, 08:16 AM	#148
Fenderaddict2 Opinionated bugger! Drives: Boss 302, Mazda 2, Praga & Intrepid Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Oakville Posts: 1,897 View My Garage	I still surprised that some are surprised that a car with 4 wheel independent suspension and MR shock control and larger tires can beat a car with a SRA and smaller tires. This outcome was always a given. Doesn't make the Shelby any less of an amazing car but it wouldn't be one you buy for beating down a road course. The drag results are now posted BTW __________________ Follow me on forums everywhere as Fenderaddict2 or my kid on the track and Twitter @fastmyles

06-20-2012, 08:47 AM	#154
Fenderaddict2 Opinionated bugger! Drives: Boss 302, Mazda 2, Praga & Intrepid Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Oakville Posts: 1,897 View My Garage	It's a tie so far bud. "Warring factions of people finally fessing up to the fact that the other side can do something right -- that's pretty cool." __________________ Follow me on forums everywhere as Fenderaddict2 or my kid on the track and Twitter @fastmyles

06-20-2012, 01:10 AM	#142
richtor Drives: JEEP Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: CA Posts: 42	Comparing these times to times from other cars at this track is interesting. I would have thought that both cars would be faster with the credentialed driver they had? The base c6 ran 1.35.6. Why is the ZL1 9 seconds slower? http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/gi...n_raceway.html

06-20-2012, 01:49 AM	#145
BAD ZL1 BAD ZL1 Drives: 2013 VIN 48 Victory Red ZL1! Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Posts: 707	WWAD? Lol, what would an auto do on this same track, same driver? No missing gears, and the other car doesn't offer an auto. ZL1 with its more weight, less HP wins by even more. Something to be said about handling. Chalk it up for the auto guys like me that realize manual is old school, fun, but taking a back seat this day and age to better technology with auto and paddle shift... Tests and todays race transmissions are proving auto rules.

06-20-2012, 08:18 AM	#149
FNBADAZ06 Drives: C6 Z06 Corvette Join Date: May 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 187	2nd installment - drag race. cliff notes : ZL1 12.38@114.5 MPH GT500 11.78@125 MPH 2nd installment - drag race 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 vs 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 - At The Strip - Automobile Magazine