MotorTrend Pits the ZL1 vs GT500 on the Street, Dragstrip, and Racetrack

[ShnOmac]

This thread has become absolutely ridiculous.

[GRAHL]

Wow, great vid! I didn't think they'd flat-out pick a winner like that. Couldn't agree more with them. Cool to see that perma-grin all the way around the track. Nice job GM!

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Oh it's not a surprise I'm just amazed that GM continues to allow its employees to make GM look like morons.

Look at it this way- the New Best Thing will always come around, and salesmen will always say whatever it takes to make sales

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Look at it this way- the New Best Thing will always come around, and salesmen will always say whatever it takes to make sales

Common sense..... NOT so common.

[GRAHL]

Originally Posted by tt335ci03cobra

Ya all the stuff aside, everybody on this thread obviously remembers all the bashing on both sides. Here are some various ones I remember that went both ways in various forums and threads. Call me a liar or an instigator, I just have a good memory. Most of these are from members here over the last 6 months when everything was known tech wise.

-won't take turns over 5mph
-won't break 12's
-won't offset its weight
-won't last motor wise; pop at 600whp
-probably flipped over on the ring
-won't put power down at all, the car needed grip not power
-the zl1 will smoke it because the ford can't turn
-the gt500 will destroy it on the strip
-the zl1 will over heat too quickly
-the gt500 wont have braking after 3 laps
-the boss is as fast as the gt500 so zl1 will kill the gt500
-gas mileage doesn't matter, who cars
-there's a huge price difference but gas mileage doesnt matter
-the mustangs interior is absolute crap and flimsy
-the camaro is impossible to see out of
-the gt500 has crappy wheels
-the gt500 is way too loud to drive everyday
-the zl1 is grandmas cushy cruiser the gt500 is the coolest thing ever
-the gt500 is a horse and buggy, the zl1 will destroy it
-the zl1 will be a drivers race against a gt500 at a drag strip so they are even and since the gt500 is harder to drive without spinning it's tires, the zl1 will win more often
-it can't go 200 that's a marketing ploy
-it won't trap over 120 because it won't get grip
-it's a one trick pony
-it can't stop
-it's a shitbox

So on. Its a pointless mission to wanna keep a discussion like this free of mud slinging but honestly, I think anybody who says very few people on this site have flung crap at the cobra or zl1 in the past would be lying to themselves. I got over flinging crap for the most part about a year ago and just decided it wasn't worth it. Now I'm seeing it's not even worth correcting improper statements; what's the point.

Let's just all keep the past behind us and keep the discussion more or less bash free. Both cars are amazing values in the new car market, congrats to all the buyers of each.

lmao! Actually it's quite clear you haven't gotten over a thing, this post proves it! Relax buddy, put the checklist away, free yourself, enjoy your car.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Look at it this way- the New Best Thing will always come around, and salesmen will always say whatever it takes to make sales

Don't think any salesmen are directly employed by GM or any manufacturer, the dealers hire them.

[Mister-Camaro]

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/2012-che...0-.html?page=2
This is the one on yahoo.com but its the longer version

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

The GT500 did not have $8k more in performance upgrades. It was not a track pack equipped car. I could tell by the price as tested. It had the SVTPP, Recaros, and NAV. The Track Pack doesn't have break coolers so what this review did tell me is the GT500 has good cooling outside of the brakes even without the track pack.

If you look close in the video around 9:10 you can see the dash. It looks like the non-nav configuration. I'm not 100% on this but that's what it looks like to me.

So I think it did indeed have 8k in perf options.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Don't think any salesmen are directly employed by GM or any manufacturer, the dealers hire them.

Check me if I'm wrong Sandy but, if I kill all the golfers, they'll lock me up and throw away the key

In other words...what's that got to do with the fact that salesmen are hired to say things that make sales?

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Look at it this way- the New Best Thing will always come around, and salesmen will always say whatever it takes to make sales

I was not talking about salespeople, I was talking about a certain Chief Engineer that ran his mouth blabbing about the ZL1 and even going as far as to send letters. He conducted himself like Carroll Shelby, may he rest in peace, saying stuff along the lines of the ZL1 will destroy the GT500 and other completely asinine statements. Is the ZL1 good? Yes! Is the GT500 good? Yes! Do they both have their downfalls? Absolutely...

Originally Posted by oortcloud

If you look close in the video around 9:10 you can see the dash. It looks like the non-nav configuration. I'm not 100% on this but that's what it looks like to me.

So I think it did indeed have 8k in perf options.

Indeed that is the standard Ford Sync, just no touch screen for the Navigation.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Check me if I'm wrong Sandy but, if I kill all the golfers, they'll lock me up and throw away the key

In other words...what's that got to do with the fact that salesmen are hired to say things that make sales?

Because you said that in a reply about GM employees.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

I was not talking about salespeople, I was talking about a certain Chief Engineer that ran his mouth blabbing about the ZL1 and even going as far as to send letters. He conducted himself like Carroll Shelby, may he rest in peace, saying stuff along the lines of the ZL1 will destroy the GT500 and other completely asinine statements. Is the ZL1 good? Yes! Is the GT500 good? Yes! Do they both have their downfalls? Absolutely...

Semantics. Anyone that touts their company's product is a salesman, whether he or you know it. This is not a job title issue.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Semantics. Anyone that touts their company's product is a salesman, whether he or you know it. This is not a job title issue.

You should be a politician the way you twist your words around

[dmax86]