Do you think the ZL1 will outperform the Base C7 Corvette

[RoketRdr]

Originally Posted by adamgl

Ya I want to see real pics, lol. We've all seen renders and prototypes / concepts that look way different than when the car is finished.

We do at least know what the front bumper looks like now so hopefully the rest of the car will be revealed soon.

[StoutSnout]

Originally Posted by hognutz

HP wise but the Grand sport has a dry sump system like the Z06. It is geared different like the Z51 was as well.

Dry sump is only on the manual trans coupe GrandSport. Not included with verts or automatics.

[ZZZ]

Originally Posted by RoketRdr

We do at least know what the front bumper looks like now so hopefully the rest of the car will be revealed soon.

Unless there are any leaks it will be unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show

[OLD_GOAT]

Originally Posted by adamgl

The ZL1 is better than a base C6 in every category that I can think of.

Gas mileage?

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by adamgl

The ZL1 is better than a base C6 in every category that I can think of. C7 base who knows how much better than C6? What I really want to know is how good will the new Z06 and ZR1 be? And what's it going to look like.

Really? Other than rated horsepower, how did you come to that opinion?

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by ZZZ

Well your a Z06 owner so I assume you have some idea what your talking about. ...

[Raven87]

The base C6 has very similar numbers to the GS. I would not say the Grand Sport (especially an M6) OR a Base Coupe would be an easy kill at all for a ZL1.

I think it would come down to drivers.

The C7 is rumored to have a better HP/Weight number than the C6 with all around better performance data. It will better the C6 (performance wise) in every respect but again, we are only speculating.

But look at Chevrolet's past and what they've done with each version since the C4. They have always upped performance and I doubt it will be different with the C7, even in the base model.

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by ZZZ

Well your a Z06 owner so I assume you have some idea what your talking about.

I have heard the lowest recorded stock quarter miles are lower on the base Corvette but I would give that time. More Camaros better conditions more break ins.

As for the track and road racing I am not sure. So far the opinion seems fairly split.

Right now I am pretty much gonna wait til January until I put down a deposit and order either a 14 ZL1 or a C7 Vert depending on which one is the better performer after that Ill put around 15 Twenty K in it and keep it for awhile.

Road and track did a comparison on all the vette's and the C6.R racecar.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca...e_track_page_7

Base vette is 33 lengths behind a Grand Sport! and 59 behind a Z06.

I think the ZL1 will spank a base C6 vette on a road course. Grand Sport would prob. have an advantage.

But 15k - 20k would easily address any weaknesses in either car.

Originally Posted by OLD_GOAT

Gas mileage?

Got me on that one. I can get 30 mpg with my 660 HP Z06 cruising at 80, lol.

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by Raven87

The base C6 has very similar numbers to the GS. I would not say the Grand Sport (especially an M6) OR a Base Coupe would be an easy kill at all for a ZL1.

I think it would come down to drivers.

The C7 is rumored to have a better HP/Weight number than the C6 with all around better performance data. It will better the C6 (performance wise) in every respect but again, we are only speculating.

But look at Chevrolet's past and what they've done with each version since the C4. They have always upped performance and I doubt it will be different with the C7, even in the base model.

As shown above, the base vette is seriously lacking in handling vs. the Grand Sport.

(The Grand Sport’s powertrain is exactly the same as the base car’s, but for a mere $6400 extra you get a lot of wider stuff—wider Goodyear F1 Supercar tires, a wider, more flared and chiseled body and a wider steel frame. Suspension—springs, shocks and anti-roll bars—are stiffer, and the body has brake cooling vents behind the front tires. There’s also a dry-sump oiling system on the handbuilt LS3 of the coupe)

And the base C7 will be good, but have to wait and see how good.

[ZZZ]

Originally Posted by adamgl

Road and track did a comparison on all the vette's and the C6.R racecar.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca...e_track_page_7

Base vette is 33 lengths behind a Grand Sport! and 59 behind a Z06.

I think the ZL1 will spank a base C6 vette on a road course. Grand Sport would prob. have an advantage.

But 15k - 20k would easily address any weaknesses in either car.



Got me on that one. I can get 30 mpg with my 660 HP Z06 cruising at 80, lol.

Awesome thanks for that chart

As for the money both will be very respectable cars on both a road course and the quarter mile at that point with some mods however I would probably choose the better performer overall.

Even a C7 Vert will have its Wow Factor taken away almost within a year by an impending Z06 or ZR1 release so I may as well invest that extra cash in the car I can see the most return on.

I like what KD Innovations is doing lately with the ZL1 and I'm looking forward on seeing their quarter mile times with their recent car.

I have never driven neither a Corvette or a ZL1 so I cant speak directly about the handling but if the Corvette handles around the turns considering its weight difference that will be a deciding factor as well.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by adamgl

As shown above, the base vette is seriously lacking in handling vs. the Grand Sport.

(The Grand Sport’s powertrain is exactly the same as the base car’s, but for a mere $6400 extra you get a lot of wider stuff—wider Goodyear F1 Supercar tires, a wider, more flared and chiseled body and a wider steel frame. Suspension—springs, shocks and anti-roll bars—are stiffer, and the body has brake cooling vents behind the front tires. There’s also a dry-sump oiling system on the handbuilt LS3 of the coupe)

And the base C7 will be good, but have to wait and see how good.

I was referring to a drag race, not a road course when saying the base would not be a certain kill for the ZL1. Sorry, I was not clear enough on that.

I agree, the Base vs GS vs ZL1 on a road course would be a lost proposition for the Base model.

But ZL1 vs a GS is not a done-deal for the Camaro in either venue.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by adamgl

Road and track did a comparison on all the vette's and the C6.R racecar.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca...e_track_page_7

Base vette is 33 lengths behind a Grand Sport! and 59 behind a Z06.

I think the ZL1 will spank a base C6 vette on a road course. Grand Sport would prob. have an advantage.

But 15k - 20k would easily address any weaknesses in either car.



Got me on that one. I can get 30 mpg with my 660 HP Z06 cruising at 80, lol.

Wow, the ZR1 was 7 lengths behind the Z06.

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by Raven87

I was referring to a drag race, not a road course when saying the base would not be a certain kill for the ZL1. Sorry, I was not clear enough on that.

I agree, the Base vs GS vs ZL1 on a road course would be a lost proposition for the Base model.

But ZL1 vs a GS is not a done-deal for the Camaro in either venue.

Ya, drag race it would mostly be a drivers race.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Wow, the ZR1 was 7 lengths behind the Z06.

The extra supercharger weight on the motor hurts handling more than the power helps. At least on that track. Wonder what my car would do there. Z06 with more power than a ZR1. (Just hope the modded LS7 lasts )

[Wondering]

Originally Posted by adamgl

The extra supercharger weight on the motor hurts handling more than the power helps. At least on that track. Wonder what my car would do there. Z06 with more power than a ZR1. (Just hope the modded LS7 lasts )

On Invo's? I'd say somewhere between the Grand Sport and the base car.