Was told by a guy I would consider a Camaro expert to keep traction cntr turned off.

[Brettzel]

Traction Control Explained

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by camarozzzz

Don't know if you have kept up with this forum tons, but from what I have seen in my 6 months here or so is that when TC comes off, people end up in ditches, in poles, on sideways or curbs. I say keep it on and tell this guy he is no expert...

Only if you drive stupid ...

[Mr. Unassailable]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Only if you drive stupid ...

yeah, i turn mine off all the time. 100% of the time. But its just because I like the classic feel of being in control. And my car is only driven when I want to play.

[Mr. Unassailable]

Since it has been noted that "yes the traction control does use the brakes" I'd like to note that.

From another thread

Originally Posted by Warr3nc

Traction Control

When drive wheel slip is noted, the EBCM will enter traction control mode.

First, the EBCM requests the engine control module (ECM) to reduce the amount of torque to the drive wheels via a serial data message. The ECM reduces torque to the drive wheels and reports the amount of delivered torque.

If the engine torque reduction does not reduce drive wheel slip, the EBCM will actively apply the brakes on the slipping drive wheel. During traction control braking, hydraulic pressure in each drive wheel circuit is controlled to prevent the drive wheels from slipping. The EBCM commands the pump motor and appropriate solenoid valves ON and OFF to apply brake pressure to the slipping wheel.

Traction control can be manually disabled by pressing the traction control switch.

If you are not driving like a tool, the brakes should not be needed.


**** I drive like a tool all the time and thus I do not use traction control.

[bluebox]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

I would find another so called "expert". If his knowledge about tuning is like his knowledge about how traction control works I would find someone else and have my car retuned imo.

http://cartech.about.com/od/Safety/a...bs-Evolved.htm

How Does Traction Control Work?

Traction control systems function sort of like reverse anti-lock brake systems. They use the same sensors to determine whether any of the wheels have lost traction, but these systems look for wheel slippage during acceleration instead of deceleration.

If a traction control system determines that a wheel is slipping, it can take a number of corrective actions. If a wheel needs to be slowed down, the TCS is capable of pulsing the brakes just like the ABS can. However, traction control systems are also capable of exerting some management over engine operations. If it’s necessary, the TCS can often reduce the supply of fuel or spark to one or more cylinders. In vehicles that use drive by wire throttle, the TCS can also close the throttle to reduce engine power.

Seems the tuner has a point, if you plant your foot in it often enough. But we didn't have to look this up to know how TC works, did we?

[upflying]

One other issue to consider about TC.
The EDR or CDR knows whether TC was on or not if and when you have a collision.
The insurance adjuster/police can and will upload the CDR and it may effect your insurance claim and or/criminal charges such as negligence.

[Rhyder]

Im still not sure what the benefit of turning it off is...people say I like to control my car...or....I want to decide when it kicks in or not....


As far as handling I mean, unless your doing ricer drifting, what are the reasons for turning it off? What is it preventing you from doing by being on exactly?

as far as the brake pads, a thing could be true but meaningless, for example, say if normal use with it on means the pads wear out 3 days sooner than they would with it off. Does it wear them quicker? yes. Is it enough to matter? nope.

[Mr. Unassailable]

Originally Posted by Rhyder

Im still not sure what the benefit of turning it off is...people say I like to control my car...or....I want to decide when it kicks in or not....
As far as handling I mean, unless your doing ricer drifting, what are the reasons for turning it off? What is it preventing you from doing by being on exactly?

It's a feel. Something I got used to driving my old sports cars and modded trucks. Being able to slide the ass out of corners, light up the tires if I want to, and being able to downshift into corners without the TC automatically revmatching thus negating the whole purpose of downshifting.

As I always mention though, my SS is a toy. If I'm going to groceries or taking granny to a bridge game I'll drive the SHO or the S60R. If I'm working I'm in the F250. When I'm in the SS, I'm out for a good time.

[Quick]

I can't believe the people on this board that think if you turn traction control off
you're going to die...laugh my ass off...maybe its time to trade for a cruze...what the hell did everyone do before TC?

[SlingShot]

I think you can feel more of a difference in a manual shift car. For me I can feel the brakes dragging when I accelerate. I don't drive stupid, I just run the RPM up before I shift. That's also why I never have issues with the skip shift also.

[Kent2010]

Originally Posted by OHIOSS

Talked to the tuner that tuned my SS a couple of weeks ago and he told me if I left the traction control off I wouldn't get nearly as much brake dust build up on my wheels. He said the traction control works just about all the time applying braking power which creates more dust.

If you are driving in such a manner that the *braking* function of TC is being engaged often enough to noticeably affect brake dusting, it would be better to correct the problem at the source by tightening the loose nut behind the steering wheel.

[Mr. Unassailable]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

I think you can feel more of a difference in a manual shift car.

That's another good point. I would never consider an automatic muscle car. So its far from the top of my mind when I'm on this forum.

[camarozzzz]

Originally Posted by upflying

One other issue to consider about TC.
The EDR or CDR knows whether TC was on or not if and when you have a collision.
The insurance adjuster/police can and will upload the CDR and it may effect your insurance claim and or/criminal charges such as negligence.

You raise a good point!! They could go as far as saying you were negligent actually. Didn't think of this in this kind of situation!

[_Nick_]

Originally Posted by Quick

I can't believe the people on this board that think if you turn traction control off
you're going to die...laugh my ass off...maybe its time to trade for a cruze...what the hell did everyone do before TC?

Clearly everyone has been cheating death.

Judging from this forum, many have never driven a RWD car with any sort of power. Most posts I read involve turning the traction control off, then almost getting in to an accident.