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motorhead · 08-16-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by awfarley

Yeah my bad, I was basing that loosely off the loaded 2SS/RS with sunroof and all. Still not that close though lol

If I was keeping my Camaro, I wouldn't want another one. I think it's more fun to change up once in awhile.

archtaan · 08-16-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

Yes are a few. Not many, but they do exist. check out the 392 fast list. They also run in the mid 11's.

The 392 has a nice long flat torque curve which helps to keep it moving.

Yes, some tuners have installed the 2010 PCM to get around the Chrysler PCM revolving lock code. Those cars do not have all of the 2011+ PCM features and are considered by many in the community to be hack jobs.

Mid 11's out of an aftermarket 392 FI car is a joke compared to what the 6.1's are doing modded.

OP, get the ZL1! Its just an overall better package. I'd stay away from the Mopars for now. Many, many issues going on.

motorhead · 08-16-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by archtaan

Yes, some tuners have installed the 2010 PCM to get around the Chrysler PCM revolving lock code. Those cars do not have all of the 2011+ PCM features and are considered by many in the community to be hack jobs.

Mid 11's out of an aftermarket 392 FI car is a joke compared to what the 6.1's are doing modded.

OP, get the ZL1! Its just an overall better package. I'd stay away from the Mopars for now. Many, many issues going on.

Everybody is having problems right now. You only ever hear about the problems. The two supercharged 392's I've seen so far are far from hack jobs. Mid 11's is all he needs to beat a stock ZL1 and that was the question he ask. Like I said earlier. Some stock 392's are running what some ZL1's are running. You can't say that about a stock 6.1. I love the ZL1 and would buy one in a heart beat ,but the 392's are a great buy right now. The ZL1 is very hard to come by, and you will pay full price or more to own one.

Frankly between the ZL1 and the 2013 GT500, I think the GT500 is the better buy ,but they are damn near impossible to get too.

bmwdon · 08-16-2012, 12:50 PM

if they can sort out the tuning on the 10's and up, they should run as fast as mine. like archtaan said, some are overcoming the later models tuning by going with a 09' setup. high 10's on 11psi

motorhead · 08-17-2012, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwdon

if they can sort out the tuning on the 10's and up, they should run as fast as mine. like archtaan said, some are overcoming the later models tuning by going with a 09' setup. high 10's on 11psi

It's the 11's and up that have the PC Locked. The 10's have no problem with tuning. They're still the 6.1.

bmwdon · 08-19-2012, 07:40 PM

sounds right

07-SRT · 08-20-2012, 06:47 AM

joey0480 · 08-20-2012, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwdon

if they can sort out the tuning on the 10's and up, they should run as fast as mine. like archtaan said, some are overcoming the later models tuning by going with a 09' setup. high 10's on 11psi

Supposed to be an announcement at SEMA on what they are doing...wheter they are telling us to go pound salt or going to provide mopar tunes. Who knows....

I am by no means replacing my ECU. Read a few horror stories already and don't want to be one of those few. Plus the mileage is inevitable botched in your stock ECU from there on out.

I would love to get a tune on my charger...no doubt that would break me into the high 12's since stock mopar 11's have been seen running 13.2..........

newmoon · 08-20-2012, 09:55 AM

Is the ZL1 stock? I think with the average times that we have been seeing for the ZL1 at the strip thus far, it would have it's hands full with a stock 392 automatic car, never mind a blown car.

Rcfiddy1 · 08-22-2012, 11:07 PM

Well I know 1st hand the 2010 SRT8 Challenger with a KB S/C 9-10lbs with et's of 11.2 will run around a ZL1 all day. So given that fact Im sure if the new 392s can be tuned(Dont know if they have the codes unlocked yet) and with a S/C the ZL1 is toast. Lets just all agree the ZL1 is not whats its cracked up to be in this modern muscle era.

SSGUNNER · 09-16-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

Have they even broke the ECU coding yet? Last I heard they couldn't crack it...

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Originally Posted by motorhead

They haven't but there is ways around it. There are more boosted 392's than you think. B&G sells an upgraded ECU for 392's with bolt-ins such as long tubes CAI's and exhaust. That alone is dropping a half second off of an other wise stock 392. That alone could get a ZL1 beat with certain people behind the wheel

Oh i see.

SGOS252382 · 09-16-2012, 10:45 AM

Supercharged 392 should have no trouble with a ZL1 in a straight line.

But the same can be said for Camaro SS. A blown Camaro SS should be running deep in the 11s (10s with supporting mods - wheels/tires/bolt ons).

08-16-2012, 12:50 PM	#18
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,311	if they can sort out the tuning on the 10's and up, they should run as fast as mine. like archtaan said, some are overcoming the later models tuning by going with a 09' setup. high 10's on 11psi __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

08-19-2012, 07:40 PM	#20
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,311	sounds right __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

08-20-2012, 09:55 AM	#23
newmoon Drives: 2019 GT350 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NC Posts: 3,232	Is the ZL1 stock? I think with the average times that we have been seeing for the ZL1 at the strip thus far, it would have it's hands full with a stock 392 automatic car, never mind a blown car. __________________ 2019 GT350 RR 2013 Boss Mustang 2012 SRT Challenger 392 auto 12:40s 112 stock 2012 Ford Mustang 5.0. Brembo, 3:73s 2010 SS, LS3, Cammed, LTs, 12:20s 2004 Redfire Cobra, Pullied & Tuned 1986 GT, Ed Curtis 347ci, 11:20s motor. 10:30s 100-hp shot

08-22-2012, 11:07 PM	#24
Rcfiddy1 Sold car... Drives: 2010 Rally Yellow 2SS/RS #37115 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Manalapan, New Jersey Posts: 2,019 View My Garage	Well I know 1st hand the 2010 SRT8 Challenger with a KB S/C 9-10lbs with et's of 11.2 will run around a ZL1 all day. So given that fact Im sure if the new 392s can be tuned(Dont know if they have the codes unlocked yet) and with a S/C the ZL1 is toast. Lets just all agree the ZL1 is not whats its cracked up to be in this modern muscle era. __________________ Build Thread ECS Novi 1500 Supercharged, LS3 conversion, Small blower cam, Alky Meth injection, 3:45 rear, BMR Suspension parts, 1LE Sways, Billy Boat ZL1 dual mode exhaust.

09-16-2012, 10:45 AM	#26
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	Supercharged 392 should have no trouble with a ZL1 in a straight line. But the same can be said for Camaro SS. A blown Camaro SS should be running deep in the 11s (10s with supporting mods - wheels/tires/bolt ons).