2012 Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Shelby GT500-On Track

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

If you are buying either of these cars for road racing you already made a mistake to begin with.

X1000000000000. I have a hard time with all this road course talk when talking about Muscle/Pony cars. I bet if I did a Poll and everyone voted honestly the percentage of those who ever took their car to the autox would be minimal at best. In the same poll if I asked how many took their car to the drag strip or air strip I bet it would be 5x as much. Then if I asked how many had a straight line stop light to stop light street race or highway roll race that number would be even more than the drag strip. I am actually a little disapointed in GM with the acceleration of this car. GM has a flagship car in the Corvette to take care of road course duties and be a autox king. There will also be a 1LE Camaro for those who want a great handeling car. The ZL1 should have been better in the 1/4 IMO. If you ask me the only 2 areas that the ZL1 has over the GT500 in a more real world scenario is the ride quality and auto option. ZL1 owners deserved better in the straight line performance. As it looks right now a mildly cammed SS can beat a ZL1. Thats just sad.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

This is why I want an NA Z28/LS7. I don't want or need the frills of either of these cars as impressive as they may be.

This. The ZL1 and GT500 are awesome cars but I'm not interested in owning one. I'd rather have a BOSS or an LS7 Z28, if they build it.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

X1000000000000. I have a hard time with all this road course talk when talking about Muscle/Pony cars. I bet if I did a Poll and everyone voted honestly the percentage of those who ever took their car to the autox would be minimal at best. In the same poll if I asked how many took their car to the drag strip or air strip I bet it would be 5x as much. Then if I asked how many had a straight line stop light to stop light street race or highway roll race that number would be even more than the drag strip. I am actually a little disapointed in GM with the acceleration of this car. GM has a flagship car in the Corvette to take care of road course duties and be a autox king. There will also be a 1LE Camaro for those who want a great handeling car. The ZL1 should have been better in the 1/4 IMO. If you ask me the only 2 areas that the ZL1 has over the GT500 in a more real world scenario is the ride quality and auto option. ZL1 owners deserved better in the straight line performance. As it looks right now a mildly cammed SS can beat a ZL1. Thats just sad.

3800 + lb vehicles with superchargers are inherently not what you are looking for when getting a road race car.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

3800 + lb vehicles with superchargers are inherently not what you are looking for when getting a road race car.

Correct it would be a Z06!!!

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Correct it would be a Z06!!!

far better choice

[72MachOne99GT]

I'm very impressed/confused how this thread can go through stages of fanboyism for page after page, then turn enthusiast oriented like it has been here.

Both sides sittin down, discussing HiV Positives and Negatives of both cars.

I've always been BIG on the "indent need frills,'or fancy suspensions, or seats, etc.... But after driving my base '13 Shelby I'm afraid I'll never buy that stripper 5.0 noth I've always wanted......not to mention the '70 boss/mach1 on my agenda.

These cars do such an amazing job of spoiling their owners/drivers that I for one can't fault the recent editors/reviewers for favoring either car over the other....

We all know ford and GM could offer 10 second cars that run record road course times for LESS than 55,995 (with or without GG) but they just wouldn't sell.

We, as performance enthusiast are such a small minority, they out perspective brands can only satisfy us so far.

Honestly, if we were really that interested in stock performance times,'we would ALL check the seat delete, recaros, radio delete, ac delete, insulation delete, etc...

Pffew, glad I got that rant off my chest.

[08-G35s/6MT]

ZL1 is a complete waste of money for how fast it is.... You can make a stock Camaro SS just as fast by just putting on any sort of F/I system on it, and as for corners(granted the ZL1 is a 1LE with a blower).... I don't know about you guys but I don't live on a mountain road or have close access to a racetrack(same applies to the majority of owners here), the city I live in is based on a grid, the handling limits are ridiculously high on both anyhow. The GT500 is still half a second faster around Willow Springs despite the fact it has a LRA and skinnier tires. But at least the ZL1 has the same or more heritage then the GT500, oh wait.....

[Macvicar24]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

ZL1 is a complete waste of money for how fast it is.... You can make a stock Camaro SS just as fast by just putting on any sort of F/I system on it, and as for corners(granted the ZL1 is a 1LE with a blower).... I don't know about you guys but I don't live on a mountain road or have close access to a racetrack(same applies to the majority of owners here), the city I live in is based on a grid, the handling limits are ridiculously high on both anyhow. The GT500 is still half a second faster around Willow Springs despite the fact it has a LRA and skinnier tires. But at least the ZL1 has the same or more heritage then the GT500, oh wait.....

That's a bad statement. There are many cars out there that the ZL1 will kill that cost more than the ZL1. How about saying it like this, "there are a lot of cars like the ZL1 and the one I drive that are a complete waste of money for how fast they are". That sounds more appropriate. Or I could say, and I assure everyone can agree, opinions are cool!


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[Macvicar24]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I'm very impressed/confused how this thread can go through stages of fanboyism for page after page, then turn enthusiast oriented like it has been here.

Both sides sittin down, discussing HiV Positives and Negatives of both cars.

I've always been BIG on the "indent need frills,'or fancy suspensions, or seats, etc.... But after driving my base '13 Shelby I'm afraid I'll never buy that stripper 5.0 noth I've always wanted......not to mention the '70 boss/mach1 on my agenda.

These cars do such an amazing job of spoiling their owners/drivers that I for one can't fault the recent editors/reviewers for favoring either car over the other....

We all know ford and GM could offer 10 second cars that run record road course times for LESS than 55,995 (with or without GG) but they just wouldn't sell.

We, as performance enthusiast are such a small minority, they out perspective brands can only satisfy us so far.

Honestly, if we were really that interested in stock performance times,'we would ALL check the seat delete, recaros, radio delete, ac delete, insulation delete, etc...

Pffew, glad I got that rant off my chest.

I'm with you. Everyone has there style and I don't understand why others knock people for what they like. I'm a GM guy and that is what I like. Even if it has more/less power. I'm just excited that we have the chance to experience cars like this.


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[Slowmaro19]

http://www.jdmtube.com/video/306/201...le-PBIR-Moroso

http://www.jdmtube.com/video/305/ZL1...PH-PBIR-Moroso

http://www.jdmtube.com/video/303/201...PH-PBIR-Moroso

[LINMUP]

so whats the story on the black ZL1 that ran 11.6? That seemed like a good run...drag radial? any mods?

[VaporNation]

shelby will probably win but camaro is a sicker car

[Stew]

Originally Posted by VaporNation

shelby will probably win but camaro is a sicker car

You contradicted yourself, are you a starburst?

[Bola1103]

I seen how the real world is for these cars I hate to say it but the 500 has been doing real well road and strip