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[RED DEMON SS]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

The other option is to take a ride in my 'bee (it still has the center resonator), and see if the AFM drone bugs you..

If it doesn't bug you, maybe we could trade your X-pipe for my center resonator, or work out a deal around that premise. (I'm deleting my AFM soon).

I don't consider my "drone" bad at all, even with no mufflers due to the fact I still have the center resonator.. But I hear those that get rid of the center resonator have AFM drone issues.

Are you getting a tune Scott? Why delete AFM if your not going to completely rebuild the valve train, trust me when i say you will have issues immediately with valve train noise with AFM lifters in there still. I would at the minimum replace them with LS7 Lifters!

[Prime Time]

Originally Posted by kjnylin

I'm having my splitter vinyl wrapped with carbon fiber pattern at Guardline in Puyallup. $100. Pick it up and installing it tomorrow. They are also applying the carbon fiber to the bow ties.

Pictures in a couple days.

Sweet Ken~ Looking forward to how it turns out. I'm going to call Guardline tomorrow to get an estimate how much it would cost me to wrap my entire car. if not hopefully I could get the same deal as yours for the lip and other ground effects i'm looking to purchase.

Post them pics!!!! =)

[Ladybugsmom]

Originally Posted by Prime Time

Sweet Ken~ Looking forward to how it turns out. I'm going to call Guardline tomorrow to get an estimate how much it would cost me to wrap my entire car. if not hopefully I could get the same deal as yours for the lip and other ground effects i'm looking to purchase.

Post them pics!!!! =)

Eulices might be willing to tell you what he paid for his wrap... He's on the WW5GCC page on FB, or he's tha713soldier on here....

[LADYBMBLEBEE]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

I need to ride in it to experience this AFM drone people complain about.

when I had my flowmasters installed, and even with my muffler delete, I "HEAR" the AFM kick in and such.

but it doesn't bug me.

However, you have the cat back, so you got rid of your stock center resonator, didn't you?

Yes, with the catback there is no resonators. Next time we see you, Glen can take you for a ride so you can hear it. Unless I get under the car with a torch and start cutting pipes apart before then!

[LADYBMBLEBEE]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

The other option is to take a ride in my 'bee (it still has the center resonator), and see if the AFM drone bugs you..

If it doesn't bug you, maybe we could trade your X-pipe for my center resonator, or work out a deal around that premise. (I'm deleting my AFM soon).

I don't consider my "drone" bad at all, even with no mufflers due to the fact I still have the center resonator.. But I hear those that get rid of the center resonator have AFM drone issues.

I still have the entire stock exhaust system. I had them take it out in one piece just in case I ever wanted to put it back. A couple muffler guys (one being the guy in Bellevue you went to) kinda warned me about Flowmaster catback systems installed in automatics and tried to steer me toward Magnaflow or Solo. Maybe I should have listened

If we can't find anyone that can do the "J" pipe solution, we are gonna just remove the Flowmasters and look into Magnaflow or Solo with the "J" pipes already attached. If that is the case, I guess we will be selling a Flowmaster catback exhaust cheap :(

[LADYBMBLEBEE]

Originally Posted by Farthestnorth

Notice on this Magnaflow set-up that the j-pipes are attached to the exhaust pipe at a 90 degree angle to the flow path, which does not affect the flow at all. The ends of these tubes are capped, which prevents no exhaust gas to pass through them. This becomes a closed-chamber environment where the offending frequency or drone, as determined by calculation, is eliminated by feeding it back into the flow path out of phase. Simply put, it works.
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Thanks Tim. I will print this picture out and see if I can find anyone who willing to try to modify the Flowmaster system.

[camarossowner]

Clear Image Automotive.com in Kent installed my 3" Magna Flow system on my ride. Nice deep sound until up put the pedal to the floor. Ask for Dan.

[LADYBMBLEBEE]

Originally Posted by camarossowner

Clear Image Automotive.com in Kent installed my 3" Magna Flow system on my ride. Nice deep sound until up put the pedal to the floor. Ask for Dan.

Thanks for the info Tom.

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by Farthestnorth

Are you getting a tune Scott? Why delete AFM if your not going to completely rebuild the valve train, trust me when i say you will have issues immediately with valve train noise with AFM lifters in there still. I would at the minimum replace them with LS7 Lifters!

Yup, I'm getting it tuned. Should do wonders on the A6! Everyone I've talked to and also read a bunch of posts from people who've said that tuning out the AFM really helped out with engine performance, and even fuel economy driving around town. Also, I heard a lot of people say the "AFM drone" is intolerable once you go with headers & X-pipe.

Though, the tune I'm getting has other parameters tuned as well.

I was doing research on the tune before I decided to go with it, and I didn't see anything about the "lifter noise" until you mentioned it. I saw that the stock L99 lifters had a TSB about them being noisy.. I've only noticed a slight ticking noise from them as the car is now.

Maybe I should get the TSB done before I do the tune?

I hadn't planned on immediately rebuilding the valve train. But, a cam and LS3 conversion is a mod that I plan on doing down the road a little ways.

I'm certainly open to some suggestions. I'm not going to be going with forced induction, but definitely going to be adding long tube headers w/ high-flow cats and an X-pipe.

But, now that you mention the stock lifters are going to be really noisy if AFM is tuned out, maybe I'll do the cam / LS3 conversion before headers?

I'd appreciate some advice with the order in which I do some mods.

Thanks Tim!

[heRS]

Here's a picture of what 2 years on eastern WA highways will do to your paint. I took the quarter flares off the front because the 2-sided tape had gone all one-sided. Gonna recoat the bottoms with rhino-liner or something this time. I am just glad I installed them because that's all damage that would have been happening all down the side of my car!

[RED DEMON SS]

It get's tricky and more expensive if you do things out of order, I.E LS3 conversion first then cam and FI. I would personally do it differently if given a second chance. I would definitely do a cam and LS3 conversion in one fell swoop. Then you can worry about Header, X Pipe & FI down the road without pulling the heads off and the whole top end and front end, you can also install a stall convertor while you are in there and obviously pin the crank while doing the cam. There is a guy who ports heads also in Vancouver Wa the name escapes me for the moment but i'll remember it down the road. Delete DOD, Delete AFM, Cam, Valvetrain (Lifters, Rockers, Push Rods, Springs) Timing Chain & Gears, Stall Convertor, heads ported & polished, do this first for around 5k to 6k if someone else does it. If you do it then around 3800 or 4500 depending on cam grind and other parameters? It all depends on what you want to do!
I would also check what kind of grind you are looking for as far as lope with a cam, mine is very street able and unnoticeable when warm like others where they have a serious lope! The ultimate choice is up to you in what you are looking for...

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

Yup, I'm getting it tuned. Should do wonders on the A6! Everyone I've talked to and also read a bunch of posts from people who've said that tuning out the AFM really helped out with engine performance, and even fuel economy driving around town. Also, I heard a lot of people say the "AFM drone" is intolerable once you go with headers & X-pipe.

Though, the tune I'm getting has other parameters tuned as well.

I was doing research on the tune before I decided to go with it, and I didn't see anything about the "lifter noise" until you mentioned it. I saw that the stock L99 lifters had a TSB about them being noisy.. I've only noticed a slight ticking noise from them as the car is now.

Maybe I should get the TSB done before I do the tune?

I hadn't planned on immediately rebuilding the valve train. But, a cam and LS3 conversion is a mod that I plan on doing down the road a little ways.

I'm certainly open to some suggestions. I'm not going to be going with forced induction, but definitely going to be adding long tube headers w/ high-flow cats and an X-pipe.

But, now that you mention the stock lifters are going to be really noisy if AFM is tuned out, maybe I'll do the cam / LS3 conversion before headers?

I'd appreciate some advice with the order in which I do some mods.

Thanks Tim!

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by Farthestnorth

It get's tricky and more expensive if you do things out of order, I.E LS3 conversion first then cam and FI. I would personally do it differently if given a second chance. I would definitely do a cam and LS3 conversion in one fell swoop. Then you can worry about Header, X Pipe & FI down the road without pulling the heads off and the whole top end and front end, you can also install a stall convertor while you are in there and obviously pin the crank while doing the cam. There is a guy who ports heads also in Vancouver Wa the name escapes me for the moment but i'll remember it down the road. Delete DOD, Delete AFM, Cam, Valvetrain (Lifters, Rockers, Push Rods, Springs) Timing Chain & Gears, Stall Convertor, heads ported & polished, do this first for around 5k to 6k if someone else does it. If you do it then around 3800 or 4500 depending on cam grind and other parameters? It all depends on what you want to do!
I would also check what kind of grind you are looking for as far as lope with a cam, mine is very street able and unnoticeable when warm like others where they have a serious lope! The ultimate choice is up to you in what you are looking for...

Well, like I said, I'm NOT going to be going FI. At least not unless something happens to where my Camaro isn't my daily driver.

That said, what I plan for my car:

1: Needs to be able to be at home driving on the road as a daily driver and be able to handle stop & go traffic.

2: Obviously, I want better performance, more power, better suspension. But, I'm not going to go to the extreme end of things in the areas that I am improving.

IE:
I want more power, but not going with forced induction. (but I do plan on headers and eventually a cam)

I'm going to lower the car and do some suspension work, but probably not going to go with coilovers. (but I will put in new springs, sway bars, frame stiffeners, and poly bushings)

I'll probably get slotted and drilled rotors at some point, but not going to shell out $4k for a 6-piston brake upgrade.


I do have an idea of where I want to end up. But, I'm up for suggestions on the order of which mods to do to get there.

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Well, here's an option to actually DELETE the DOD/AFM, rather than only having a tune disable it via the ECM. (includes LS7 lifters)

http://texas-speed.com/p-717-dod-afm-delete-kit.aspx

[chappy48]

Mind if I ask really quick why you've ruled out FI? Is it a personaly preference? Just to give you my experience I started with a CAI, Longtubes and a Maggie and it drove like stock. The only difference was when I started to get on it a little and started getting into the boost. That's when it would really take off. I almost miss those days because I still had some decent traction back in the low 500rwhp range lol.