Chevrolet: Stock 2012 ZL1 Runs 11.93 Quarter Mile (Video)

[GoldenBear]

Now after stock ZL1s with stocks tires, driven by actual owners rather than GM drivers, have run 11.9x quarter mile times I'm curious as to how many Ford fans still believe that a stock ZL1 with stock tires can't run a quarter mile in the 11s.

The original stock GM runs in the 11s were performed in relatively favorable weather conditions (compared to runs performed in late Spring and Summer) just as these recent runs in the 11s by ZL1 owners were performed in favorable conditions when compared to runs that were performed during the Summer.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Now after stock ZL1s with stocks tires, driven by actual owners rather than GM drivers, have run 11.9x quarter mile times I'm curious as to how many Ford fans still believe that a stock ZL1 with stock tires can't run a quarter mile in the 11s....

That's not the debate.

Pretty much everyone agreed that 11.9x was possible. The 1.6x 60 time on stock tires was the issue...

[LOWDOWN]

Actually, the Doubting Thomases have made a BIG deal outta "1.6x" when, in fact, the slip read 1.6985...which is a hair's breadth from 1.7... And, after all, it wasn't performed at the West Edmonton Mall, or in front of the Saddledome.

Great air, low ambient, sticky track...and, truly, a "hero run"...and a launch the Factory 285-tired 500 probably won't match...which doesn't mean the Camaro can't/won't...

Now, if Evans reported such a launch in the Stang, SVT-Nation wouldn't leave a microphone unhooked, tellin' the world...would they? Yet, there hasn't been an infestation of Comrades attacking SVT-Nation sites and spreading this, has there? ALL the news comes from your butt-hurt buddies whinin' 'n snivelin' 'bout it...

Thanks for the opportunity to chart you and yours on a proper course...

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by tnspd

Yesterday I ran a 11.98 at 116 mph. All stock with stock tires. 60 foot was 1.85

...which is only .151 from the "hero" launch so unpaleteable for the Mustang gang...

Good Work!

[mlee]

Originally Posted by islander033

That's not the debate.

Pretty much everyone agreed that 11.9x was possible. The 1.6x 60 time on stock tires was the issue...

In this thread that was the debate... 60' time was a whole different story.

Now that DA is better the times are coming down and pretty much validates the OP in this thread. Not saying there wasn't a whole bunch of other things discussed after but running 11's on stock tires was a huge debate this summer. I think we can put that to rest now.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Actually, the Doubting Thomases have made a BIG deal outta "1.6x" when, in fact, the slip read 1.6985...which is a hair's breadth from 1.7... And, after all, it wasn't performed at the West Edmonton Mall, or in front of the Saddledome.

Great air, low ambient, sticky track...and, truly, a "hero run"...and a launch the Factory 285-tired 500 probably won't match...which doesn't mean the Camaro can't/won't...

Now, if Evans reported such a launch in the Stang, SVT-Nation wouldn't leave a microphone unhooked, tellin' the world...would they? Yet, there hasn't been an infestation of Comrades attacking SVT-Nation sites and spreading this, has there? ALL the news comes from your butt-hurt buddies whinin' 'n snivelin' 'bout it...

Thanks for the opportunity to chart you and yours on a proper course...

You're a funny guy

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...which is only .151 from the "hero" launch so unpaleteable for the Mustang gang...

Good Work!

so 0.151 is not a big difference in 60ft times? I bet if I could knock off another 0.151 from my 60' I'd be running high 10's instead of low 11's.

I agree with the good work part at least.

Originally Posted by mlee

In this thread that was the debate... 60' time was a whole different story.

Now that DA is better the times are coming down and pretty much validates the OP in this thread. Not saying there wasn't a whole bunch of other things discussed after but running 11's on stock tires was a huge debate this summer. I think we can put that to rest now.

60' was also part of the debate..
I'm happy that someone other than GM finally hit 11's stock

[Pro Stock John]

1.69 on stock tires is very doable [with AWD].

[74z28]

"Owner" not owners, have ran a very high 11 and he said nothing about if it were stock or modified tune.

[BoostedX2]

Originally Posted by 74z28

"Owner" not owners, have ran a very high 11 and he said nothing about if it were stock or modified tune.

Check post 657

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Actually, the Doubting Thomases have made a BIG deal outta "1.6x" when, in fact, the slip read 1.6985...which is a hair's breadth from 1.7... And, after all, it wasn't performed at the West Edmonton Mall, or in front of the Saddledome.

Great air, low ambient, sticky track...and, truly, a "hero run"...and a launch the Factory 285-tired 500 probably won't match...which doesn't mean the Camaro can't/won't...

Eh, the timeslip on the video showed a 1.6901. You (and now I) am certainly splitting hairs, but lets try to at least split them correctly.

Now, if Evans....

Who is "Evans"?

...reported such a launch in the Stang, SVT-Nation wouldn't leave a microphone unhooked, tellin' the world...would they? Yet, there hasn't been an infestation of Comrades attacking SVT-Nation sites and spreading this, has there? ALL the news comes from your butt-hurt buddies whinin' 'n snivelin' 'bout it...

Thanks for the opportunity to chart you and yours on a proper course...

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but nobody would believe a 1.6 (or even 1.7) out of a stock-tired GT500. It has far too much power to do that on stock rubber (not an issue for some cars, I know).

Proper indeed, Scott.

Oh, and as stated, .151 (or even .16) is a HUGE difference in 60 ft. A bit more than a hair.

Most of us that weren't blinded by brand loyalty were quite sure the ZL1 would crack 11's with actual owners - and I think will go at least 11.8 in really good air, perhaps better. But the cynic in me got to thinking a little bit....you know how some (such as you) were calling the GT500 a "one-trick pony"? Remember that? Given the huge difference in performance when the air is hot compared to when the air is cold, could we not call the ZL1 a "one-season pony"?

[newmoon]

Give it another month, temps in the 50s, low humidity, good track prep, and watch one of these automatic ZL1s run 11:80s with low 1.70s 60' time. .

[Pro Stock John]

I think he meant Evan Smith of MM&FF but you know that.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Who is "Evans"?

Slip of the key...Evan, as in Evan Smith.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but nobody would believe a 1.6 (or even 1.7) out of a stock-tired GT500. It has far too much power to do that on stock rubber (not an issue for some cars, I know).

...with a poorer weight distribution, with its smaller 285s, and with a dumbed-down mechanical ratio of 8.80 (8.99 adjusted for shorter tires) vs. the Automatic ZL1's 12.92 and the 6-speed's 9.92:1 (1st gear X rear gear).

Proper indeed, Scott.

There you go again, Bob, wanting me to be Scott...which, unfortunately, I'm NOT... Keep guessin'...

Oh, and as stated, .151 (or even .16) is a HUGE difference in 60 ft. A bit more than a hair.

...but not as huge as the 2.3 or 2.4 that Stangers want the world to believe is the REAL number...and perhaps you could gently inform your Alberta friend that .15 in the 60' doesn't necessarily correlate to something as great or greater on the big end.

Most of us that weren't blinded by brand loyalty were quite sure the ZL1 would crack 11's with actual owners - and I think will go at least 11.8 in really good air, perhaps better. But the cynic in me got to thinking a little bit....you know how some (such as you) were calling the GT500 a "one-trick pony"? Remember that? Given the huge difference in performance when the air is hot compared to when the air is cold, could we not call the ZL1 a "one-season pony"?

Heat soak is an issue, as it is with ANY boosted vehicle. My intercooled Turbo T-Type has it, ZL1s have it, SVO Mustangs have it, T-Bird Super Coupes have it, Callaway Corvettes had it, Lightnings have it, Cobra stangs have it...and Shelbys have it. As a matter of fact, heat soak is common in all IC engines. Why else would you ice the intake, even in the Jr. Stock era? Remember "cool cans" for fuel lines? So saying the Camaro ZL1 has heat soak is simply confirming the obvious, Bob. Nothing new, here, folks...

In that regard, EVERYTHING could be called a "3-season" vehicle, when observing 1/4-mile and/or street performance...

As an aside, when the ZL1 video was made, the ambient temp in early May was well less than 75 degrees...somewhat better than the conditions recently encountered by tnspeed when he clocked his 1.85 60', on perhaps a track not as well prepped. Someone from the Ford camp, who claimed to be there that day, said he walked out of his shoes on that track... Or was that another attempt to discredit anything the Camaros did that day?

Bob, you've raced for a long time, with distinction. I am confident you have seen, from time to time, runs made that surprized/astonished even you...but they DID happen. Didn't they?

[Pro Stock John]

I don't think the air was that good the day they were at Milan, anyone have the date we can look it up.

I've talked to Evan in person about his driving of various cars over the years, and part of his success is he drives everything like a rental. When he went high 12's in a 4th gen he slipped the clutch out really really high.