Gas warning

[cornfield camaro]

I should just save my breath(everyone seems to agree ethanol is evil) but I just can't stand the bs that's out there! You guys listen to the 2 floozies on this link and take it as gospel! Ethanol dropping out of mixture when it's e15? Total BS!
I doubt that there is anyone more experienced with ethanol on this site than me and I haven't seen any of this crap they're spewing. I've run e10 in every small engine there is for many years with no problem. We have blender pumps here with E15, E30, E40 and E85 and many of us guys here have experimented with different blends in all kinds of gas burning vehicles. E30 runs fine in my old '92 big block 1 ton. As I've said before, I've had E85 in '86 GN for 5 yrs with NO fuel pump, fuel line, injector problems and it runs like a bat out of hell on it!!
EThANOL FACTS: High octane, Less mileage, Would be real cheap if not for the big midwest drouth, does absorb moisture and gets it out of your fuel system, way less corrosive than methanol, good for environment, made in the usa, Adds to the us fuel refining capacity, Allows the oil industry to get rid of their junk gas by blending it with ethanol, most misunderstood and most lied about product out there.

[camaro-dreamer]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

Yeah, you have to have the Flex fuel motor in your vehicle to run this fuel......I've don't think I have ever seen a gas station around here that has E15.......besides with our cars.....there are a great percentage that only use high octane fuel anyway so no one will attempt it anyway.

They say its extremely harmful to small engine and marine applications.....thats the first warning I heard.

This is because there is a miscibility gap between the mixing oil and ethanol. In order to demonstrate, you can place mixing oil and gasoline with ethanol into a clear glass container. Shake the contents. This is not the case in your car. When I was in university, I worked at a small engine repair shop. Until I took solution thermodynamics, I just knew that this would happen but not why.

As a disclaimer, I refuse to buy any gas with ethanol in it for any application since the mpgs are so much lower. Octane rating, AKI in the US, tells us nothing about energy content.

[LIVEVIL]

That's exactly how the folks pushing increased percentages of ethanol want us all to think. That's precisely how I'd try to get people to think if it was me pushing the stuff with a personal financial and/or political agenda behind it. I'd leave the rest to imagination, wouldn't be telling any lies that way, and I'd be able to deny lying if called on it later.

And that's exactly what sheep like yourself like to believe...whatever the g'ubment says it must be true so lets all run away in fear that 15% ethanol in our gas tanks will melt the car.

Asking that question is a little like looking at the 7000 RPM redline on your tachometer, and asking yourself if your engine can handle 7000 RPM, why couldn't it handle 10,500 RPM? You can try it, but you may not be pleased with the results.

That is nothing like that...it's like looking at 1% milk and asking yourself if buying and drinking 2% will kill you on the spot because it has a little bit more fat.

When all our pumps switched to E10 blends I was driving my '96 Z28 every day to work. I started getting 20-30 miles less on a tank. I discovered this when I ran out of gas on the way home from work one day. Then I started calculating again and I went from averaging 23mpg to 19.5.
It doesn't go as far and doesn't run as well

Yes it is less efficient in terms of MPGs, noone is arguing that...but saying that it doesn't run just as well is pure BS and has nothing to do with the ethanol percentage in your gas. Bad or cheap gas from random no name gas stations has alot more to do with how well or bad your car runs than the ethanol percentage. Buy your E10 gas from a top tier gas supplier and your car will run just as well on it compared to E0.

[Russell James]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Ethanol is crap, crap, crap. I seek out pure-gas anytime I can, and only use E10 when forced. Ethanol in any amount will reduce the potential life of your engine and fuel system, period. The smaller amounts are only less damaging.

That's true if it's an older car not designed for any ethanol. Real old fuel hoses, carb gaskets... will deteriorate fast with ethanol use. But if it was designed for ethanol, it will be fine up to the percent it was designed for.

If it was designed for 85% ethanol, you can run that the life of the vehicle and see no problems. There are fleets that do that all the time. Same with 10 or 15%, all depends on what it was designed for and all the parts spec'd and validated to. I've never noticed any difference running 10% in any of my vehicles. Maybe a slight mpg diff, very slight... which could also just be variation in weather, traffic, lead foot... E85 definately has noticeably less mpgs, but at 10% I've never seen anything more than possibly barely noticeable.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by LIVEVIL

And that's exactly what sheep . . . etc.

Refusing to show any skepticism is exactly how a sheep operates. It avoids the necessity of it having to think for itself. The shoe fits you better than it does me.

If anything, the gummint is mandating ethanol use, which is not my position at all. That's their political agenda, not mine.

Yes, I did say that I would like people to think a certain way if I had something to gain by their doing so. But that little reading comprehension thing you skipped right past was that I have no dog in the ethanol content fight (I did use the word "IF", as in "if it was me pushing . . ."). What I do have is healthy skepticism about there being zero difference between E10 and E15.

One of my cars is a 1995, another is a 2001, and I have a pretty nice SBC sitting on a stand that's essentially early-1990's technologically. IOW, I have good reason to be skeptical even if it wasn't my nature as an engineer to be that way.


Norm

[hot_rod]

>>If anything, the gummint is mandating ethanol use, which is not my position at all. That's their political agenda, not mine.

This is the problem.

...and the solution is simple, get the government out of it and let a free market decide!

[v6sonoma]

Run an older engine on E-10 and then let it sit without running it for a month and see how it does. Now let it sit for 3-4 months and try again. Most likely if it has carbs you're gonna have to tear it down and clean the whole thing out. My hedge trimmers fuel line literally disintegrated. When I tried to reattach it the thing crumbled in my hand.

I have no problem with E-10 or E-15 or even E-85 being available as an option but it should not be a requirement at the pump. It has ruined a lot of my stuff over the years and caused me to spend a lot of time and money to repair my motorcycle. I would gladly pay more for straight gas.

[its a syn]

Yeah don't use that evil ethanol!!!! I use 10% ethanol in my 04 Cavalier as soon as it gets around 32 degrees as condesation really will rear it's ugly head at that time. I ran it exclusivly for the first 150,000 miles, yes you read that right. After gas went through the roof I expeirimented with regular gas in the summer and found out it was actually cheaper to run because of the better MPG. So during 32 degrees and above it's regular and 10% below that. Time to have the oil changed I have 230,000 miles on it and NOTHING but regular maintenance. I use it in cold weather instead of having to add a can of Heet. My lawnmower does just fine with either. It has sat for 5 months and it starts the first pull the next spring with Sta-bil added

[Chrisrp454]

From my manual:
"Gasolines containing oxygenates,
such as ethers and ethanol, and
reformulated gasolines might
be available in your area. We
recommend that you use these
gasolines, if they comply with the
specifications described earlier.
However, E85 (85% ethanol) and
other fuels containing more than
10% ethanol must not be used in
vehicles that were not designed for
those fuels.
Notice: This vehicle was not
designed for fuel that contains
methanol. Do not use fuel
containing methanol. It can
corrode metal parts in the fuel
system and also damage plastic
and rubber parts. That damage
would not be covered under
the vehicle warranty."

[solo40oz]

Ethanol is so bad....there is a misconception that it's 'better' for the environment...well, it's not better for the environment....ethanol polluted fuel has less energy and reduces mileage....and is highly corrosive

[solo40oz]

Trivia time.....this picture shows 2 fuel sending units that came out of a '55 chevy. One of them is the original unit (50+ years old), that sat in a tank of gas for 20 years that was not used. The other one is 3 years old and sat in a tank of modern gas. Which one do you think is the original, and which one is the new one?

[Norm Peterson]

Using ethanol in any gasoline mixture puts the fuel supply in competition with the food supply, and it's not just the corn that you eat directly.

Think about it.


Norm

[its a syn]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Using ethanol in any gasoline mixture puts the fuel supply in competition with the food supply, and it's not just the corn that you eat directly.

Think about it.


Norm

Your eating the stalks?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Hercules

Unbelievable what they are putting out there knowing the end result. Really makes you think about the E10 that we are using in some cars. I wouldn't think that 5% ethanol difference would create that much of a problem. I've heard of small engine problems, lawn mowers 4 wheelers etc., having problems if you don't use the additive for ethanol fuel. My neighbors riding mower has had to get the fuel system completely rebuilt twice because of it.
Thanks for the heads up!

My lawn equipment fuel lines have failed. It has pissed me off for a while. Someone told me a few years ago about this and I make sure to use pure gas now. I haven't had a problem since. I was pretty amazed.

Originally Posted by hot_rod

and votes........

Originally Posted by mattsfirstSS

Thats a whopping $5.64 IF YOU FILL THE ENTIRE TANK FROM EMPTY. Whats 5 bucks when you just spent $57? Besides we are probably talking a couple bucks every time you get gas because who runs to empty? Are we really fretting over a couple bucks? Nevermind that ethanol is less efficient so you'll need more gas anyhow which cuts into that cost savings, so we are down to saving pennies...just get the non ethanol lol

While I agree with you it's because I can afford it and still reconcile my bank accounts.

But I had to LMAO as I read it because I was thinking "Damn, that's the federal Gov way of figuring".......... You whittled/budgeted 5.64 off of the ledger and yet still spent it.

Originally Posted by LIVEVIL

If all the gas in this country was pure 100% gasoline and we'd be forced to go to a low percentage ethanol blend then yes I would believe the hype.

But given the fact that pretty much every single car on the road today is perfectly fine with 10% ethanol in its tank I doubt that a mere 5% more would wreak that much havok to cause significant damage. If a fuel system can handle 10%, why would it not be able to handle 15%?

I"m no chemical engineer but if 33% more oxygen added to the air we breath will effect us the way it would then I can see a basis for plausibility.

Originally Posted by Frank in MD

I don't disagree w/ you but your logic is flawed. I Googled Bigfoot and got 30,700,000 results.

http://www.google.com/search?q=bigfo...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Originally Posted by BiG_TiMe

i have never even heard of E-15..

Me either.......





sorry

Originally Posted by Kiwi_Camaro_2010

But didn't they say the ethanol is separating while sitting in gas station tanks, so bottom of E10 tank could be actually turning out to be equivalent to say E85.....

It would seem. But again, none of us are chemical engineers over this subject.

Originally Posted by cornfield camaro

I should just save my breath(everyone seems to agree ethanol is evil) but I just can't stand the bs that's out there! You guys listen to the 2 floozies on this link and take it as gospel! Ethanol dropping out of mixture when it's e15? Total BS!
I doubt that there is anyone more experienced with ethanol on this site than me and I haven't seen any of this crap they're spewing. I've run e10 in every small engine there is for many years with no problem. We have blender pumps here with E15, E30, E40 and E85 and many of us guys here have experimented with different blends in all kinds of gas burning vehicles. E30 runs fine in my old '92 big block 1 ton. As I've said before, I've had E85 in '86 GN for 5 yrs with NO fuel pump, fuel line, injector problems and it runs like a bat out of hell on it!!
EThANOL FACTS: High octane, Less mileage, Would be real cheap if not for the big midwest drouth, does absorb moisture and gets it out of your fuel system, way less corrosive than methanol, good for environment, made in the usa, Adds to the us fuel refining capacity, Allows the oil industry to get rid of their junk gas by blending it with ethanol, most misunderstood and most lied about product out there.

Fair enough but can you explain why big car companies have taken their stand?

Or is that eroneous reporting?

In the meantime I'll stick with what I KNOW is not going to hurt my engine and equipment.

Originally Posted by LIVEVIL

And that's exactly what sheep like yourself like to believe...whatever the g'ubment says it must be true so lets all run away in fear that 15% ethanol in our gas tanks will melt the car.

Say what you want but I know for a FACT that NON ethanol gas won't hurt my car in the least. So I'll play it safe.

Originally Posted by hot_rod

...and the solution is simple, get the government out of it and let a free market decide!

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

Run an older engine on E-10 and then let it sit without running it for a month and see how it does. Now let it sit for 3-4 months and try again. Most likely if it has carbs you're gonna have to tear it down and clean the whole thing out. My hedge trimmers fuel line literally disintegrated. When I tried to reattach it the thing crumbled in my hand.

I have no problem with E-10 or E-15 or even E-85 being available as an option but it should not be a requirement at the pump. It has ruined a lot of my stuff over the years and caused me to spend a lot of time and money to repair my motorcycle. I would gladly pay more for straight gas.

I had fuel line problems in my lawn equipment and couldn't understand it till a friend told me the deal. Haven't had a problem since. I actually let my weed-eater sit for almost two years and could start it. NO WAY IN HELL that would happen before.

Originally Posted by solo40oz

Trivia time.....this picture shows 2 fuel sending units that came out of a '55 chevy. One of them is the original unit (50+ years old), that sat in a tank of gas for 20 years that was not used. The other one is 3 years old and sat in a tank of modern gas. Which one do you think is the original, and which one is the new one?