A few words on the Camaro...interior-wise...

[2010 SS RS]

This is an American Muscle Car! You guys must be too young to remember the late 60's and early 70's versions. And you must also understand that this is to be driven differently. More than likely not for use as a daily driver in rush hour every day. The feeling I get inside because of the visability makes me so very happy. I love the feel you get when you romp on it and the little slit called the windshield lifts like a horizon guage on an airplane and then rolls slightly to the right. You would not get that looking out the windshield of an minivan. If the mirrors and pillars bother you then dont put it down just go get a car with a huge windshield and ginormous other windows. Did you miss something when this car was being marketed? You dont use the mirror or windows at the strip so its good to go there as well. Hey enjoy the car for what it was intended for and you will find yourself in a very happy place.

[themossman]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS RS

This is an American Muscle Car! You guys must be too young to remember the late 60's and early 70's versions. And you must also understand that this is to be driven differently. More than likely not for use as a daily driver in rush hour every day. The feeling I get inside because of the visability makes me so very happy. I love the feel you get when you romp on it and the little slit called the windshield lifts like a horizon guage on an airplane and then rolls slightly to the right. You would not get that looking out the windshield of an minivan. If the mirrors and pillars bother you then dont put it down just go get a car with a huge windshield and ginormous other windows. Did you miss something when this car was being marketed? You dont use the mirror or windows at the strip so its good to go there as well. Hey enjoy the car for what it was intended for and you will find yourself in a very happy place.

HEY! You have to go back and read my original post!!!

Originally Posted by themossman

.... Don't get me wrong...it's not a 'complaint' as much as it is an observation. Clearly there were trade offs in this car, as fbodfather has mentioned many times...and visibility is a case where form won over function. And I, for one, am certainly glad it did.

I feel like I'm in a gun-ship...now bring on the targets!

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS RS

This is an American Muscle Car! You guys must be too young to remember the late 60's and early 70's versions. And you must also understand that this is to be driven differently. More than likely not for use as a daily driver in rush hour every day. The feeling I get inside because of the visability makes me so very happy. I love the feel you get when you romp on it and the little slit called the windshield lifts like a horizon guage on an airplane and then rolls slightly to the right. You would not get that looking out the windshield of an minivan. If the mirrors and pillars bother you then dont put it down just go get a car with a huge windshield and ginormous other windows. Did you miss something when this car was being marketed? You dont use the mirror or windows at the strip so its good to go there as well. Hey enjoy the car for what it was intended for and you will find yourself in a very happy place.

The Camaro has never been and will never be a muscle car

[camero]

Originally Posted by Speedfreak

The Camaro has never been and will never be a muscle car

What kind of car is it?

[GatorBlue371]

Dragon,


Ive sat in a few different Camaros, most recently a black SS fully loaded.


My complaints about the interior include-


- The door panels. Not a huge fan of the acrylics. I guess its subjective but i like the suede inserts of the SRT.

- Tach/Speedo. this just gives off a, ''I designed this with a crayon!!!" feeling. Its more unique than the SRT, but id take the classic font from the GT.

- Shift knob in Auto. Feels like shifting with a baseball. WAY to big a bulky.

- Overall look of the Sterio/HVAC. Wont take well to aftermarket (like the G8), and looks poorly designed. Would have been cool to see a modern design like... a nav system?

- The visibility isnt the worst ive ever seen, but it isnt good.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by Speedfreak

I have been inside a new mustang, but not Camaro. They stepped up the interior over the last one quite a bit alhtough the door panels still are a little cheap..

The things I didn't like in the Stang were

1. Like in the Camaro the tach is on the wrong side. The guages are pretty deep to, not that easy to read.
2. Steering wheel is to close to the dash and did not appear to telescope like many others using the foriegn sterring columns
3. The rear end of the car could not have been made to look any worse.
4. Lame ass washer nozzles on the hood.
5. Weak POS 4.6 under the hood.

I am going to try and track down a Camaro this weekend to check it out, but right now almost impossibe to find one on a dealer lot

Hmm not sure what "new mustang" you were in, but here are some points...
1. 2010 models no longer have the washer nozzles on the hood.
2.The gauges are not deep. The camaro's are actually a lot deeper. My o8 Gauges are deeper than the 2010 actually.
3. Rear end is debatable..looks ok on black, and darker colors...but yeah.
4. Gives away the fact you do not like a stang to begin with. No worries, update coming real soon. And that small POS 4.6 is still only a step behind the 2ss in most tests.

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS RS

This is an American Muscle Car! You guys must be too young to remember the late 60's and early 70's versions. And you must also understand that this is to be driven differently. More than likely not for use as a daily driver in rush hour every day. The feeling I get inside because of the visability makes me so very happy. I love the feel you get when you romp on it and the little slit called the windshield lifts like a horizon guage on an airplane and then rolls slightly to the right. You would not get that looking out the windshield of an minivan. If the mirrors and pillars bother you then dont put it down just go get a car with a huge windshield and ginormous other windows. Did you miss something when this car was being marketed? You dont use the mirror or windows at the strip so its good to go there as well. Hey enjoy the car for what it was intended for and you will find yourself in a very happy place.

Ugh, you old guys are really ruining this for the rest of us. Sure back in the day American muscle cars were only competent for going fast in a straight line, but you must have missed all the marketing that called the Camaro the 21st century performance car. It can have a V8 and turn corners now. You may not need visibility at a drag strip, but you do need it on road courses and canyon/mountain roads where the real performance cars of today play. If you only want a nostalgic quarter mile machine, go buy an old car. Let the modern cars be modern. I had a 1970 Cutlass and loved it. However, I sold it because I want to have a blast on mountain roads and road courses, and the Olds couldn't do that. The Camaro can, but compromises like the poor visibility make it harder.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by camero

What kind of car is it?

it's a pony car. I find it funny everytime someone refers to these retro cars as "muscle cars".

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Dragon,


Ive sat in a few different Camaros, most recently a black SS fully loaded.


My complaints about the interior include-


- The door panels. Not a huge fan of the acrylics. I guess its subjective but i like the suede inserts of the SRT.

- Tach/Speedo. this just gives off a, ''I designed this with a crayon!!!" feeling. Its more unique than the SRT, but id take the classic font from the GT.

- Shift knob in Auto. Feels like shifting with a baseball. WAY to big a bulky.

- Overall look of the Sterio/HVAC. Wont take well to aftermarket (like the G8), and looks poorly designed. Would have been cool to see a modern design like... a nav system?

- The visibility isnt the worst ive ever seen, but it isnt good.

I believe the third and fourth complaint you mentioned were done on purpose in the studio. The center stack was meant to resemble some sort of watch, and the shift knob was meant to feel like a baseball (big and round; see concept Camaro). It's interesting you consider it poorly designed, though...it looks a little odd, but it's one of the easiest setups I've ever used in a car. Very to-the-point...

I can't disagree with you, though. I really don't have a "problem" with anything in the interior. When I sat in it, I could imagine using it every day, and being happy as a pig in sh--, er, mud ()....doing so. But if somebody ever asked me to change it up, you nailed pretty much every one of the things I'd alter.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I believe the third and fourth complaint you mentioned were done on purpose in the studio. The center stack was meant to resemble some sort of watch, and the shift knob was meant to feel like a baseball (big and round; see concept Camaro). It's interesting you consider it poorly designed, though...it looks a little odd, but it's one of the easiest setups I've ever used in a car. Very to-the-point...

I can't disagree with you, though. I really don't have a "problem" with anything in the interior. When I sat in it, I could imagine using it every day, and being happy as a pig in sh--, er, mud ()....doing so. But if somebody ever asked me to change it up, you nailed pretty much every one of the things I'd alter.

Oh i believe they were designed that way, I just dont quite see the sense behind that I guess. IMO the shifter is too big and bulky, as one review put it, it felt like a spare part from a hummer assembly line. And im sure a ton of work went into the center stack... unfortunately they didnt consider things like aftermarket, or any number of things that people enjoy doing to their sterio's. I dont understand the logic behind this or the lack of a navigation screen... And yes i know they have OnStar, but I dont know a human on the planet who can unbiasedly say they would preffer that to being able to see everything on a screen.

I know the Camaro was advertised as being a 'premium product' over the GT but I cant think of much that the SS has that the GT doesnt offer.

merely giving my .02 on the topic... and these arent complaints, just opinions

[a6pk2go]

Awesome review Dragoneye!!!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

I know the Camaro was advertised as being a 'premium product' over the GT but I cant think of much that the SS has that the GT doesnt offer.

To be fair...the car they were comparing it to when they said "premium" is the '09 and down GT. In that respect, wouldn't you agree that it is a premium product?...imo, it wipes the road with that Mustang....but the 2010 model countered well.

Let the competition continue!

[stovt001]

And the 2011 Mustang will counter further still, and in my opinion will retake the lead. GM can't up the power to compensate. The only solution is to lose weight, and apparently that is hard to do with the platform. Rock - GM - Hard Place. Hopefully they will find a way. While they're at it, a minor nip/tuck to the overhangs and a lowering of the belt line could nicely improve visibility and reduce perceived mass. Then again, by that point you're looking closer to a full redesign. At the very least, I hope for some decent seats - and by the way, I just reread the Motor Trend Camaro V6 vs Hyundai comparison, and they also mention that anyone under 250 lbs will slide around "in the esses." So it isn't just me! I really do want the V8, and the Camaro is gorgeous and so much more unique than the Mustang, but I'm just gonna need something that is more fun in the turns. Sigh...

Anyway, regarding gator's assessment of the shifter, in my opinion it isn't the size as much as the shape that is the problem It was not very comfortable. Of course, the simple solution is the Hurst shifter so I'm not letting that bother me at all.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

To be fair...the car they were comparing it to when they said "premium" is the '09 and down GT. In that respect, wouldn't you agree that it is a premium product?...imo, it wipes the road with that Mustang....but the 2010 model countered well.

Let the competition continue!

lol I do.


And I agree, Ford 'Countered' well. I think the camaro brings something to the table to compete with the Stang, and obviously its the best looking of the 3 muscle cars. I guess it wasnt as much of a knock out punch as I was hoping for. BUT thats what keeps things interestin