Header idea?

[thahemp]

I wish there was a header factory that strung suicide nets between its buildings like Foxconn. I would buy 10 sets and an iphone. (kidding of course)

This is a stupid argument. Avoiding Chinese stuff is impossible anymore. The reason Chinese manufacturing is so widely used is purely political. Tariff the sh!t out of Chinese imports, like they do ours, and that should solve a problem or two.

If anything I would say support your header companies that have the fewest number of employees. They're the ones that really need your business.

BTW... liberals kick ass! We're not all retarded

[Smirnoff]

Cheap 1-way flights to China every day, take your pick.....

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by litle88

What's good from professional products?

It's all garbage!

Originally Posted by litle88

Lol pretty much, typical. Are you surprised? Not worth it.

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Now you are just throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks......

I'm amazed...I don't know why but I am. Litle, have you EVER even tried an item from Professional Products? Because I have. I bought the intake manifold, elbow, and 75mm TB for my 03 GT years ago. Never had any problems with it. It has been on 5 different engines from high compression NA to high boost...and it has held up and I still use it. A cousin of mine has the intake manifold on a high compression modified 347 stroker...he's never had a problem with it. But here you go trash talking...just like with OBX...despite all the members here who bought and installed OBX and put in write-ups with no complaints. One company comes on here talking about how they aren't selling OBX because of multiple complaints. When asked where those complaints were...no answer. Another company shows up with old ass pics comparing them to Kooks. Why no other brands that he came across? Surely we all would have loved to see pics doing the same comparisons with other brands. No, just one random pic...despite the fact that most of us didn't have those blemishes that the pics showed.

Maryland, I wasn't throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Obviously my point escaped you. I was saying that some info online is just recycled stuff that has never been actually verified. Two products look identical...one has some imperfections...call the inferior product a copy and spread the rumor around. Nobody will check to see if there is any truth...we'll all just follow the leader. I'm questioning where this info came from and whether it is fact or just a rumor that has never been proven. So instead of addressing that question, you accuse me of throwing shit at the wall...to which two other sheep seem to take delight in hearing.

Now I'm not saying that OBX didn't copy a design. That had no affect on my purchasing and recommending them. But it is not that far-fetched that maybe they obtained the design some other way. Maybe slim, but not totally unbelievable that it could have happened. In other words, just because you and a few members here believe something that is a general unproven statement does not mean that someone won't question it's validity at some point. Just sayin...and admitting that I could be wrong but I'd like to know the facts instead of the rumors.

[thahemp]

http://www.bbb.org/greater-san-franc...land-ca-315289

http://www.bbb.org/northwestern-nort...-nc-235957558/

[1sikRS]

Originally Posted by grocerygetter

I just want to interject that freaking long tubes are over priced. I think tx speed has it nailed.

Agreed I love my TSPs fit like a glove and Ill sacrifice the 3hp difference to leave my wallet a bit heavier

[willhe64]

I'm in the same boat. Way too expensive. You won't see a set of Kooks on my car.

They are like the Monster cables of headers.

Edit: I'll also add, what the crap is up with gen5 Camaro exhaust on general? When I restored my 1970 pickup my entire exhaust system cost me $630. That was headers, mufflers and the dual pipes hand bent. Everything installed. And that was a 3" system on a 500+ horsepower big block.

Granted it wasn't stainless, but it was aluminized pipe.

[GaBoy25]

Originally Posted by thahemp

http://www.bbb.org/greater-san-franc...land-ca-315289

http://www.bbb.org/northwestern-nort...-nc-235957558/

Ive seen more complaints on one thread about vendors on THIS site.

16? Out of how many thousands?

Just use the search button ladies

[A.R. Headers]

Blaqhole and Camarojt, I normally don't interject into threads that don't include us in the title but since our name was mentioned and slandered for being overpriced, I'll sum things up for you nicely and with all due respect. As a company only seven years in the making but has made strides in the industry so large that even the big three took notice, I'll be the first to say that high quality, 100% US made headers from ARH aren't for everyone's budget. Clearly Kook's isn't for everyones budget either thus we have these types of threads.

I welcome anyone to come to our facility, have a good hard look at what it takes to design, prototype and manufacture our products and I'll guarantee your tune will change radically. I can point out why we use materials only made in America and why it costs what it does to manufacture our systems. Heck I'll even buy you lunch afterwards and I'll throw in a slice of humble pie.

If you refuse to spend the extra money because there's cheaper options, by all means go the cheaper route. Claiming that we're overcharging simply because you don't want to spend the extra money is flat out disengenuous. ARH wouldn't be the company it's become if we weren't doing things right and I'd be willing to bet that the tens of thousands of satisfied ARH customers wouldn't trade their header system for any other brand.

Once again, our doors are open. Feel free to pay us a visit.

Nick
A.R. Headers

[ec1990]

Originally Posted by willhe64

I'm in the same boat. Way too expensive. You won't see a set of Kooks on my car.

They are like the Monster cables of headers.

Edit: I'll also add, what the crap is up with gen5 Camaro exhaust on general? When I restored my 1970 pickup my entire exhaust system cost me $630. That was headers, mufflers and the dual pipes hand bent. Everything installed. And that was a 3" system on a 500+ horsepower big block.

Granted it wasn't stainless, but it was aluminized pipe.

When did you restore your vehicle? Inflation could be a contributing factor. Also stainless steel is more expensive as well as mandrel bent and the machines required instead of hand bent.

As with anything, if you're happy with it, awesome. People have the right to make their own opinions, value and cost is all based on perceived benefit. Look at the people that ship their Bugatti's cross country to spend $20,000 on a car wash.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by A.R. Headers

Blaqhole and Camarojt, I normally don't interject into threads that don't include us in the title but since our name was mentioned and slandered for being overpriced, I'll sum things up for you nicely and with all due respect. As a company only seven years in the making but has made strides in the industry so large that even the big three took notice, I'll be the first to say that high quality, 100% US made headers from ARH aren't for everyone's budget. Clearly Kook's isn't for everyones budget either thus we have these types of threads.

I welcome anyone to come to our facility, have a good hard look at what it takes to design, prototype and manufacture our products and I'll guarantee your tune will change radically. I can point out why we use materials only made in America and why it costs what it does to manufacture our systems. Heck I'll even buy you lunch afterwards and I'll throw in a slice of humble pie.

If you refuse to spend the extra money because there's cheaper options, by all means go the cheaper route. Claiming that we're overcharging simply because you don't want to spend the extra money is flat out disengenuous. ARH wouldn't be the company it's become if we weren't doing things right and I'd be willing to bet that the tens of thousands of satisfied ARH customers wouldn't trade their header system for any other brand.

Once again, our doors are open. Feel free to pay us a visit.

Nick
A.R. Headers

Nick at A R headers, I respect your response. It was professional and also didn't slander another brand! I give you props for that.

I'm speaking for myself, but I only mentioned your brand in the same sentence with Lg headers and I was saying that so many Kooks owners bash the cheaper headers saying things like "I only buy the best"
My statement was simply if these same people only wanted the best, they would have bought ARH or LG! So I actually paid you a compliment.
I'm sure anybody that has your headers have nothing but good things to say about them. No dispute there.
I do think that IMO there seems to be a bit of a gap when it comes to high end performance parts today. The prices are increasing 10 fold vs what they used to be. Materials haven't increased in that same way. So it's basically supply and demand. If there is a demand for top notch parts, then it's puts you in the drivers seat and you can price it at the top of the retail scale. It's not just headers tho.

My creating this thread was first to see what kind of response I would get with the idea of kooks doing what Stainless Works and several other companies have done in efforts to sell a more competitively priced header.
I do like Kooks headers and might still even buy a set for myself. Cost won't stop me from buying them. I can afford them. But I also look at the alternatives too and if they are performing so close, then it makes you question why there is such a vast difference in price.

Maybe a trip to your warehouse is a good idea? Lol.
In the end I appreciate your feedback and agree you sell a great set of headers even if they are a little pricey! Haha

[litle88]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm amazed...I don't know why but I am. Litle, have you EVER even tried an item from Professional Products? Because I have. I bought the intake manifold, elbow, and 75mm TB for my 03 GT years ago. Never had any problems with it. It has been on 5 different engines from high compression NA to high boost...and it has held up and I still use it. A cousin of mine has the intake manifold on a high compression modified 347 stroker...he's never had a problem with it.

Exactly you bring up these parts and products from your low budget mustang crap ERA!
That shit doesn't have anything to do here!
I don't know any racers either sponsored or just racing or just going fast using their crap not even in the LsX series or even the famous NMRA or NMCA. So stop bringing these things here. You do it in all the threads, you speak like you've been oppressed or a scourned man that never been able to go fast or something.

[SPCBA]

Originally Posted by A.R. Headers

Blaqhole and Camarojt, I normally don't interject into threads that don't include us in the title but since our name was mentioned and slandered for being overpriced, I'll sum things up for you nicely and with all due respect. As a company only seven years in the making but has made strides in the industry so large that even the big three took notice, I'll be the first to say that high quality, 100% US made headers from ARH aren't for everyone's budget. Clearly Kook's isn't for everyones budget either thus we have these types of threads.

I welcome anyone to come to our facility, have a good hard look at what it takes to design, prototype and manufacture our products and I'll guarantee your tune will change radically. I can point out why we use materials only made in America and why it costs what it does to manufacture our systems. Heck I'll even buy you lunch afterwards and I'll throw in a slice of humble pie.

If you refuse to spend the extra money because there's cheaper options, by all means go the cheaper route. Claiming that we're overcharging simply because you don't want to spend the extra money is flat out disengenuous. ARH wouldn't be the company it's become if we weren't doing things right and I'd be willing to bet that the tens of thousands of satisfied ARH customers wouldn't trade their header system for any other brand.

Once again, our doors are open. Feel free to pay us a visit.

Nick
A.R. Headers

Love me some America. Wish you were on the other coast so I could take a tour.
Maybe you could make a video tour? I swear I like those videos a whole lot more than a cold car start up and rev.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by litle88

Exactly you bring up these parts and products from your low budget mustang crap ERA!
That shit doesn't have anything to do here!
I don't know any racers either sponsored or just racing or just going fast using their crap not even in the LsX series or even the famous NMRA or NMCA. So stop bringing these things here. You do it in all the threads, you speak like you've been oppressed or a scourned man that never been able to go fast or something.

And you come on here and on every thread talking like you're the know all, say all, end all. But then you admit that you've never even tried the products you're talking about. The majority of the crap you spew is either what you heard or read. And now you're talking even more trash because I called you out on it and you can't make a logical argument. So I shouldn't even be taking you seriously.

I use the products I talk about. And I speak from that angle. I don't enter sponsored racing events. I'm not part of the NMCA or the NMRA. I don't build, need, or have the desire to use race spec products...or race for that matter. I buy a product that interest me, install it, and drive my car. I don't beat my cars. I drive normal with occasional spirited driving and I go to the track but every soo often. Which is why I have 2 Mustangs and a Camaro that are all driven and reliable. I'm a DD'er who sometimes goes to the track. And I know what works, I know what's all hype, and I know BS. You're not the only person on this forum who has a few projects to tinker with. And you're not the only person with a few projects under his belt so get over yourself.

I'm not scourned or oppressed. And I honestly have no idea where you pulled that crap from. If I were going to build a car specifically for racing purposes, then I would use specific brands. But nobody here is talking about race grade products. We're talking about a set of dang headers that will go on a car that the vast majority will never see the track. If someone is building a 5th Gen Camaro into a race car, then chances are they won't need to ask what brand of headers to buy...unless they're a complete idiot. So keep your high and mighty uppity crap to yourself.

[2SS45th]

You don't have to have a race spec car to need high quality stuff

I know on my car I went with what I saw was the best quality, that was it. I thoroughly believe the best quality product is made in the USA, so that's it for me.