TT Camaro SS vs. Nissan GTR!

[lexlueger]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRSM6

Yup, they were also $80k, if you could get one that wasn't marked up $15k-$30K. For that much money, it better be fast. If they weren't such a maintenance nightmare, I would have gone that route over the Camaro.

The '09 launch control would also grenade the transmission if you weren't careful, and sometimes even if you were.

You would need almost that much put into an SS to beat one on a drag strip and road course...I call it a wash.

[alaskacamaro]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

screw that for that kind of money you might as well get a zr1 and walk both of them haha. i know the gtr cant touch that thing with equal drivers

You would think a 3100lb vette with 638hp would, but I saw a video where a ZR1, GTR and Shelby Super Snake (800hp) did a 1/4 and the GTR beat them both. Not sure how the ZR1 would do on a track though...

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by lexlueger

You would need almost that much put into an SS to beat one on a drag strip and road course...I call it a wash.

Looking at the 1/4 mile fast list, the bolt on top 3 could beat a GTR in the 1/4 and # 4 and 5 would be a drivers race. The bolt on's with internal mods (non stock displacement) would almost all beat a GTR in the 1/4 with #7 being the least likely. When you look at power adders with stock displacement, all 30 cars would beat the GTR in the 1/4, easily.

I don't have the experience with my car on the drag strip to even begin to think I could get the launch required to beat a GTR in a straight up drag race using a tree. I've got the power to get away from it, but not the ability to plant it like the GTR does. I'll have stick with rolling starts and as I drive down the runway at the Airstrip Attack events with a stock GTR in my rearview mirror. I'm looking forward to getting back on the road courses now that my car is finished, but won't be throwing down the challenge flag any time soon.

Since most of the bugs have been worked out of the GTR, it isn't an easy task for ANY car to beat it on the road courses, and with AWD, its damn hard to get past it on the drag strip. There are several people on here who can do it on one or the other but I think it would take one of the modified ZL1's to do it on both the strip and a road course. One of the 1LE's may be able to do it with a power adder or bolt on's, but we don't have a reference for that yet.

I don't think it would take $80k to get a Camaro to beat the GTR. $30k for an SS, $3000 for pedders suspension, $10k for basic bolt-ons and a Maggie w/tune, and $3k in tires. As long as an axle didn't break on the launch, I think a Camaro would hold its own on both tracks.

[Brettzel]

Call bs on the power adders with stock displacement. A stock turbo (bolt ons, no motor or tranny work) GT-R just ran 9.7@140+. Other stock turbo cars are in the 9s as well. Oh, and keeping the stock displacement of 3.8 liters, cars have made 1300whp, and a few 1500whp. Take it for what it is worth

[sspolo]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

screw that for that kind of money you might as well get a zr1 and walk both of them haha. i know the gtr cant touch that thing with equal drivers

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know the GTR beats the ZR1 in a 1/4 drag race. I think the ZR1 would take the GTR on anything over 1/4 though.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by sspolo

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know the GTR beats the ZR1 in a 1/4 drag race. I think the ZR1 would take the GTR on anything over 1/4 though.

ZR1 runs 10's all day with driver mod and/or Drag radials/slicks.... at that point it's game over for the GTR.

[Brettzel]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

ZR1 runs 10's all day with driver mod and/or Drag radials/slicks.... at that point it's game over for the GTR.

Did you not see the completely stock GTR that ran 10.7, on street tires?

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by Brettzel

Call bs on the power adders with stock displacement. A stock turbo (bolt ons, no motor or tranny work) GT-R just ran 9.7@140+. Other stock turbo cars are in the 9s as well. Oh, and keeping the stock displacement of 3.8 liters, cars have made 1300whp, and a few 1500whp. Take it for what it is worth

1 SuperchargedSS 6L80E Supercharger, TVS/2300, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, 16'' slicks 9.814 @ 140.62 MPH
2 Bigdog/Jannetty LS3, TH400 Supercharger/YSI, Cam, LT, Meth Inj, Tune, 16'' Skinnies, Slicks 9.82 @ 139.24 MPH
3 Matt@ECS TH350 Supercharger/ECS Novi, Cam, Alky, LT, Exhaust, 9",18" DRs 9.872 @ 136.95 MPH
4 BLACK10 LS3 TH400 Super Charger,Cam, Mth Injec, Converter, Slicks & Skinnies 10.044 @ 133.32 MPH
5 Adam@ST L99, A6 Supercharger/Kenne Bell, LS3 Cam, Exhaust, Converter, 17'' slicks 10.115 @ 139.31 MPH
6 OrangeChevy LS3, M6 Nitrous/200 shot, Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, Skinnies, DRs 10.281 @ 134.26 MPH
7 94guy L99, A6 Supercharger/Whipple, Cam, LT, Converter, Slick's 10.41 @ 136.37 MPH
8 02bluess LS3 4L80e ECS Novi,Cam,Meth Injec,Exhaust,9",Converter,DR's 10.462 @ 134.07 MPH
9 flyby L99,4L80E Pro Charger,Heads,Cam,LT's, 9", Pulley, DR's 10.465 @ 130.23 MPH
10 Matts Electric TH400 Twin Turbo, LT, Exhaust, Gears, DRs 10.495 @ 127.96 MPH
11 Boostedyards86 LS3, TR6060 Whipple, Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust,Gears,9", CAI, Slicks 10.526 @ 134.18 MPH
12 MattTuneTime L99, A6 Supercharger/Procharger, Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust, DRs 10.587 @ 134.87 MPH
13 Camarovigoa L99, A6 Supercharger/Whipple, Cam, LT, Exhaust, Converter, 17" Slicks 10.626 @ 131.22 MPH
14 MAD600SS L99, A6 Supercharger/TVS2300, Nitrous, Heads/Cam, LT, CAI, Converter, 17" DRs 10.753 @ 132.96 MPH
15 1BADRS2SS L99, A6 Supercharger/Procharger, Cam, LT, CAI, Converter, 17" DRs 10.789 @ 125.5 MPH
16 Padre L99, A6 Supercharger/Procharger, Cam, LT, Exhaust, Gears, Converter, 18" DRs 10.818 @ 128.25 MPH
17 accwherd LS3 M6 Supercharger,Meth Inj,LT's,DR's,9"& Gears 10.828 @ 126.66 MPH
18 GMRULZ L99, A6 Supercharger/Whipple, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Gears, 18" DRs 10.843 @ 126.72 MPH
19 Lewylew L99, 6L80 Supercharger/TVS2300, Cam,LT's,Exhaust, CAI, 9", DRs 10.911 @ 123.76 MPH
20 n20Kid L99, A6 Procharger,LT's,Exhaust,Meth Injec,Converter,Gears,DR's 10.923 @ 124.09 MPH
21 maxdmax LS3, M6 Supercharger/TVS2300, Cam, LT, CAI, DRs 10.936 @ 129.04 MPH
22 Ivas LS3, M6 Supercharger/KB, Heads/Cam, LT, 17" Slicks, Skinnies 10.944 @ 123.97 MPH
23 JWG L99 A6 TVS 2300,LT's,CAI,Cam,Converter,Gears,Slicks & Skinnies 10.9544 @ 127.59 MPH
24 Larry@SpeedInc LS3, M6 Supercharger/TVS2300, LT, CAI, 18" DRs 11.00 @ 126.70 MPH
25 adfire LS3, M6 Supercharger, Cam, LT, Exhaust, Meth, DRs 11.043 @ 131.43 MPH
26 SmokedSS L99, A6 TVS2300,Lt's,Meth Injec,Converter,DR's 11.053 @ 125.53 MPH
27 mws444 LS3, M6 Supercharger/2300, Cam, LT, Exhaust, Gears, 17" Slicks 11.056 @ 136.61 MPH
28 JoeyB L99, A6 Supercharger/V-3, Cam, LT, Exhaust, Converter, 17" Slicks, Skinnies 11.086 @ 126.28 MPH
29 GQ4LIFE LS3, M6 Supercharger/Vortec, LT, Meth, Gears, DRs 11.137 @ 127.0 MPH
30 hot ss L99, A6 Supercharger,converter,rear suspension,DR's 11.155 @ 118.36 MPH
31 BowenSS1 LS3 6L80 Supercharger TVS2300,Converter,Tranny,18" DR's 11.164 @ 124.35 MPH
32 Mr Nasty L99, A6 Whipple,CAI, LT's,Cam, Exhaust, Converter, DR's 11.174 @ 122.98 MPH
33 rforbes L99, A6 Supercharger/TVS2300, LT, CAI, Gears, Converter, DRs 11.186 @ 123.01 MPH
34 import_killa L99, A6 Supercharger,LT,Cam,Injectors,UDP 11.188 @121.36 MPH
35 Dietcoke LS3, M6 Nitrous, Cam, LT, CAI, 17" DRs 11.204 @ 128.57 MPH
36 xjer22x LS3 M6 Twin Turbo, LT, Exhaust, DRs,Axels,Tune,Shifter 11.285 @ 123.61 MPH
37 Rcfiddy! L99 A6 Kenne Bell. Lt's,Exhaust,PTB, Tune, DR's 11.491 @ 116.85 MPH
38 FRANK121 LS3 A6 Whipple,CAI,LT's,Exhaust,PTB,Converter,Tune 11.512 @ 123.44 MPH
39 CamaroSS 45 LS3 M6 TVS 2300,LT's,CAI,Exhaust,LT's,Clutch,Meth Injec,17" DR's 11.629 @ 122.27 MPH


I was referencing this list, not a modified GTR list. The power adders with stock displacement Camaro5 group.

When you start to mod an $80k+ car, you can do a lot to it. There are several GTR's out there putting down 1000rwhp, but they put another $50k into an already $80k car. The question is can a TT or Modified Camaro be made to compete with a STOCK GTR and the answer is yes, and it will not cost you $80k to do it.

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by Brettzel

Did you not see the completely stock GTR that ran 10.7, on street tires?

Fastest stock GTR I've seen was 10.87, which is amazing for a factory stock car. But when you look at the $$$ it takes to get that kind of performance, it can be done for less in a Camaro.

Even @ 10.7, the top 15 of the power adders that was posted a few minutes ago, are still just as fast. The majority of the people out there will never break into the 10's with either car.

[Brettzel]

Even then, the pros of the GT-R vastly outweigh any pros of the Camaro.

[2010redcamaro]

Originally Posted by Brettzel

Even then, the pros of the GT-R vastly outweigh any pros of the Camaro.

people dont realize its a supercar. no matter how much money you put into a camaro it will never get that title you can dump 30k into a civic hatch that beats every car on the street but its still just a civic. with an exhaust and tune you'll be in the 10s in a gtr a camaro with the same mods is somewhere in the 12s. back on topic a tt camaro should beat a bone stock gtr most people that race gtr's arent stock tho

[ChargedCamaro]

I love my camaro, but the GTR for the price is a amazing value. I went to shop in La called Cobb tuning they are mostly an import shop (sold them my old Ls3), and they had 5 GTR 's all making 700rwhp with a tune and $1500 worth of mods. most of all of them were in the mid 9's and were competing and beating $150,000-$200,000 cars at the road tracks. It is hard to make a camaro to compete with them.

[ChargedCamaro]

Originally Posted by 2010redcamaro

people dont realize its a supercar. no matter how much money you put into a camaro it will never get that title you can dump 30k into a civic hatch that beats every car on the street but its still just a civic. with an exhaust and tune you'll be in the 10s in a gtr a camaro with the same mods is somewhere in the 12s. back on topic a tt camaro should beat a bone stock gtr most people that race gtr's arent stock tho

Very true

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by FIGRRL

Um GTR every time every track every type. .

I'll play...

At the October '12 running of the Texas Mile, the fastest GTR-TT went 181.5, at the mile, and I was close to that (168.7) at the half mile and 197.8 at the mile on boost alone... No spray...

Yes I realize there are some out there that can run better, but I haven't found one yet...

You said "every time every track every type"... and I'll add that I did it on factory rubber and wheels... No slicks, no forged wheels...