Kenne Bell

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS

a lot of your issues seem to come from poor tuning in my opinion...

Curious, because Ted from JRE and a few others were the one to give out information about the intake tube and how it can cause tuning issues in the big KB blowout thread quite awhile back.

Or maybe they just can't tune? lol I'll give you x2 as much as you charge for tunes if you can make my car perfect the way it is. (without giving it a doggy ass tune just so it can drive) Oh, I forgot the part where after I go WOT the RPMs jump around upon deceleration and the car shuts down. But of course It's only on a half ass'd tune currently.

One question though, if it's just the tuners who suck why did KB come out with a "Bandaid" for the issue even though they defended their blower was fine as it was to the death of them in said before KB blowout thread?

[Rcfiddy1]

Can we get a
I drive mine all summer an never had any issues or even saw IATs above 130-135 in 90 degrees heat.

[Smirnoff]

Originally Posted by OscarsG5

Thanks guys.

I think you got the memo.....

[RBL]

They all will heat soak but it is well known that the KB is the worst of the bunch in regards to IAT temps.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Basically Technology has passed out KB by about 15 years.

New Rotor technology runs oh so much cooler and moves more air per revolution and takes less HP to turn.

Look at
SLP New
Magnacharger New
Edelbrock
Whipple
Vortech
Paxton
Procharger

All have much cooler running designs that are more efficient, easier to install, and service.

[Ryne @ CMS]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

Curious, because Ted from JRE and a few others were the one to give out information about the intake tube and how it can cause tuning issues in the big KB blowout thread quite awhile back.

Or maybe they just can't tune? lol I'll give you x2 as much as you charge for tunes if you can make my car perfect the way it is. (without giving it a doggy ass tune just so it can drive) Oh, I forgot the part where after I go WOT the RPMs jump around upon deceleration and the car shuts down. But of course It's only on a half ass'd tune currently.

One question though, if it's just the tuners who suck why did KB come out with a "Bandaid" for the issue even though they defended their blower was fine as it was to the death of them in said before KB blowout thread?

i didnt say it was easy to tune with it, the intake tube being so large does create issues, but it can be tuned... its a lot of work, and in my opinion needs to be done by a experienced tuner in person... i am not saying any tuner sucks, so please dont open that can of worms....

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS

i didnt say it was easy to tune with it, the intake tube being so large does create issues, but it can be tuned... its a lot of work, and in my opinion needs to be done by a experienced tuner in person... i am not saying any tuner sucks, so please dont open that can of worms....

I did not take offense to your comments I am simply responding with Facts.

You can Not Correct Air Turbulence within the tube around the MAF with Tuning No Way No How!!

No amount of hours, experience hands on or not will ever correct that.

That is why they came up with the Honeycomb insert to straighten the air just before the maf.

I corrected it by Properly sizing and designing a New intake tube, that restores all the driveability, performance and torque reporting.

How you doing Ryan, been a While since we chatted.

Ted.

[Ryne @ CMS]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

I did not take offense to your comments I am simply responding with Facts.

You can Not Correct Air Turbulence within the tube around the MAF with Tuning No Way No How!!

No amount of hours, experience hands on or not will ever correct that.

That is why they came up with the Honeycomb insert to straighten the air just before the maf.

I corrected it by Properly sizing and designing a New intake tube, that restores all the driveability, performance and torque reporting.

How you doing Ryan, been a While since we chatted.

Ted.

well it does need a honeycomb if there is turbiuence around the maf, but the size persay can be tuned around, the torque reporting does cause issues, but that can be rectified with way more involved tuning and in most cases not even worth it, just run a smaller intake tube. i have learned one thing tuning for this long is there is a way if you are good enough and spend enough time on it, but frankly the customer needs to open his wallet in that situation.... i have been good Ted, yourself?

[sting808]

I have the newly revised tube with relocated MAF and honeycomb straightener. Anyone want it? Didn't fit in my car. Can't get air filter on it. KB pretty much said I'm SoL in Hawaii. Paint ran inside the tube and its pretty messy looking. Also, my reservoir cap leaks.

I am satisfied with the performance and like the look, not the fit and support. Maintenance is a PITA. Had to do so many tweaking, hard to say it is "bolt-in" friendly. Same ole story... it's always the OE cars fault. Not 3rd party design tolerances that NEVER is wrong and company NEVER needs suggestions from tuners or customers.

Don't buy anything without great customer service and proven designs.

[OscarsG5]

Thanks, going another route.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

Nope I don't own one, the pictures I posted above in an earlier post is of somebody else that I'm claiming to be mine.

Obviously you didn't read my previous post, AT ALL.

Are you trying to tell me that other blowers won't heat soak, or climb to high IAT's while driving on the streets/constant track use?

We have talked before and you are correct, all blowers heat soak. Not sure how bad KB`s are other than heresay of course, but I can tell you back to back runs w/ no cool down w/ my Whipple I never lost more than .1, ran 10.8`s and 10.9`s, 5 runs in a row w/ no cool down. No meth. To me thats pretty damn impressive getting rid of the heat.

[214Chevelle]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

Nope I don't own one, the pictures I posted above in an earlier post is of somebody else that I'm claiming to be mine.

Now that's funny. I don't care who you are!!

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

We have talked before and you are correct, all blowers heat soak. Not sure how bad KB`s are other than heresay of course, but I can tell you back to back runs w/ no cool down w/ my Whipple I never lost more than .1, ran 10.8`s and 10.9`s, 5 runs in a row w/ no cool down. No meth. To me thats pretty damn impressive getting rid of the heat.

Very impressive, sir!

I'll be tracking my car to see how the KB works this summer, but I'll be having way more mods than I have now. I can't shake that mod bug.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Let's Define Heat Soak, an overused Term.

Heat soak is when the heat exchanger can no longer Lower the temp of the supercharger and becomes overwhelmed and IAT continues to climb.

All Superchargers Make heat somewhere in the neighborhood of 11 Degrees Per LB of boost, Some Higher Some Lower.

It is the Size of the intercooler and heat exchanger and fans that must remove this heat and bring it back as close to ambient as Possible, Again some are better at this than others.

Most all of the Superchargers today will have no problem recovering from a blast down the quarter mile or sitting in traffic.

And as soon as you get moving the temps drop.

Ted.