Why is GM still behind the 8 ball?

[Angrybird 12]

Buy a civic and be just another face in the crowd, buy a Camaro and have the crowd staring at you as you go by.
I'll take a Camaro without that stuff any day over a ugly little tin box with no personality no matter what the cost.

[PoorMansCamaro]

standard on a LS that is not standard on a civic LX:

323hp engine
6 speed manual or auto
in vehicle assistance
cargo net available
cargo net tie downs
compass
2 12v DC power outlet
1 touch up and down passenger window
water temp guage
power remote trunk release
air compressor
satellite radio available
stolen vehicle tracking
lip spoiler
18" rims
variable intermittent wipers
DOHC
4-wheel disc brakes


oh, and you are buying this:


instead of this:

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

msrp of a base model civic in 2000 was just over 10k. it's now 18k. and personally, if all things were equal, i'd take a brand new 2000 civic Si over a 2013 civic Si.

What was the base price of a Camaro in 2000? The price of the Civic has not gone up much in the last 2-3 years, even after the added goodies

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

What was the base price of a Camaro in 2000? The price of the Civic has not gone up much in the last 2-3 years, even after the added goodies

17k for a base v6

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

standard on a LS that is not standard on a civic LX:

323hp engine
6 speed manual or auto
in vehicle assistance
cargo net available
cargo net tie downs
compass
2 12v DC power outlet
1 touch up and down passenger window
water temp guage
power remote trunk release
air compressor
satellite radio available
stolen vehicle tracking
lip spoiler
18" rims
variable intermittent wipers
DOHC
4-wheel disc brakes


oh, and you are buying this:


instead of this:

ipod connectivity..full connectivity, satellite available, intermittent wipers, one touch up/down window, cargo net available, back up camera, iVtec, We can go on...but that isn't the point. The point is, GM has its head up its ass.
Fact is, I have a Camaro, Solstice, CR-V and a FIT. Camaro and Solstice...an 08 so that is understandable..are the lowest tech of any of them. Explain why a '13 Camaro is lower tech than an '10 FIT? CD is out-moded technology...8 track tech for all practical purposes, compared to Ipod. GM is being left in the dust.

[vroomapunk]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

When I got my 2010 Camaro, It was a little behind in electronics...no ipod interface and control, among other things. I bought it anyway. I went to trade it on a 2013 this weekend. I wanted a back up camera, and just to get a new car. I found out there is no back up camera, and according to the dealer, still no ipod interface. If I wanted the camera...$1,500 bucks extra. Even a cheapest Honda Civic has one standard, plus ipod interface, and bluetooth. How come a Camaro, 8 grand more, still doesn't have what the rest of the world has as standard equipment? Same backwards thinking it would seem. Went home without the new car.

Most of this information is wrong.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

ipod connectivity..full connectivity, satellite available, intermittent wipers, one touch up/down window, cargo net available, back up camera, iVtec, We can go on...but that isn't the point. The point is, GM has its head up its ass.
Fact is, I have a Camaro, Solstice, CR-V and a FIT. Camaro and Solstice...an 08 so that is understandable..are the lowest tech of any of them. Explain why a '13 Camaro is lower tech than an '10 FIT? CD is out-moded technology...8 track tech for all practical purposes, compared to Ipod. GM is being left in the dust.

almost 100% sure you can't get satellite radio in the LX model, unless you buy an external head unit for it...and receiver. LS camaro has variable intermittent wipers...which is better than intermittent. LS camaro has one touch up/down on BOTH drivers and passenger side. Cargo net available. ivtec? you really saying ivtec is better than a 323hp v6? lol

only thing you have is the connectivity package. which is also available...get a LT model.

[tramtwo]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Can I just reiterate the fact that the OP apparently bought a 2010 LS for $26k?

You can but everyone else is rabbit.

If the Camaro had everything that everyone thought it should have, no one would want one.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

almost 100% sure you can't get satellite radio in the LX model, unless you buy an external head unit for it...and receiver. LS camaro has variable intermittent wipers...which is better than intermittent. LS camaro has one touch up/down on BOTH drivers and passenger side. Cargo net available. ivtec? you really saying ivtec is better than a 323hp v6? lol

only thing you have is the connectivity package. which is also available...get a LT model.

Vtec just kicked in yo.

This thread is just stupid. OP clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

[Cheveey57]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Apparently you haven't seen the wish list for the 6th gen. It seems like most people want their living room crammed into their car.

I hear ya, go figure. I personally was pissed that my Camaro came with back up sensors. When I ordered mine they were not on the Camaro and after mine finally came in December of '09 it had them. As I said many times if I could've got it without any extra crap I would've ordered that way, and I'll bet others "car enthusiasts would've also.

[Angrybird 12]

This thread is getting more ridiculous by the minute.. Now bringing the Fit into the mix.... Geesh what next a Smart car?

[Cheveey57]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

Fact is, I have a Camaro, Solstice, CR-V and a FIT. Camaro and Solstice...an 08 so that is understandable..are the lowest tech of any of them. Explain why a '13 Camaro is lower tech than an '10 FIT? CD is out-moded technology...8 track tech for all practical purposes, compared to Ipod. GM is being left in the dust.

Because Camaro's used to HOTRODS not some car with all the latest gadgets. If you want all that crap but a luxury car a Benz. If you can't afford that buy a new fit and move on.

[Nvincent4708]

Thread of fail.

I like my 1ss.. Just enough bells and whistles to be a muscle car.

A civic is NOT a muscle car.

If you really need the back up camera to back up, you suck at driving.

Whiners...

[Wizard1183]

Yes! I was so pissed when I bought my camaro because it didn't get the mpg the smart car got. Not to mention I could park the smart car anywhere! My camaro sadly can't do those things. I thought I could look cool while gettin those features but GM you really burst my bubble this time!