Why is GM still behind the 8 ball?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

Lucky you! I bought my Fit new and got more than I paid for it a year later...not much more, but more.

Why did you only keep it a year if it was so great?

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Then the older ones were overpriced......like I said they cut their profit margin...is that hard to understand?

No, but they do it right, and still make a profit. If margin is all that matters, and it is important, cut out the a/c, make p/s an option, and go back to drum brakes. The competition dictates what is offered, and the competition is forging ahead, with GM lagging, as usual.

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by jewel25

Who are you? I am dying over here.

Very good!

[jewel25]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

Very good!

You are a meanie You don't belong in the Camaro community.

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Why did you only keep it a year if it was so great?

The Base was good, but I wanted a Sport. Actually, the Sport has a better suspension and a whole lot of extra stuff that you would spend 4 times as much as the difference in price between the 2 models. The Sport handles much better, and with the auto and paddle shifters, actually gets better mileage than the 5 speed. That said, as versatile as it is, it is not perfect. Fast? No. But handles like a go kart. I will probably trade it this next year for a bigger grocery getter.

[ebaugh1990]

I wouldn't base my car buying decision on what type of radio it had or if it had a camera, you're unsure of what's behind you? GOAL. It's very simple.

I based my decision on my car not by the transmission, or options, I based it on the engine. I wanted a V8. Very simple, it would suck for other people in the car but I honestly couldn't care less of it didn't have a radio and such. I'd be happy with a/c, ps, and that's pretty much it. As long as that V8 is under the hood I'm happy. I didn't buy a sports car, I bought a muscle car. You can't compare muscle to import, muscle wins every time in my opinion. I bought my camaro so I can own a piece of American history, not so I can have a camera on my bumper or something like that.

[tramtwo]

Originally Posted by trm2

We should come to an Accord that it is the Civic duty of some to realize they aren't Fit to drive a Camaro.

post of the day!

[tramtwo]

Originally Posted by ebaugh1990

I ain't but 22 years old and remember when CD players were a luxury option in vehicles.


I have a camaro, 1SS, it has myLink and it's all I want, I don't NEED any of it. It's nice to have. Once I get my exhaust put on the radio may never even come on...

Posted like a true enthusiast!!

[jewel25]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

I am grieved. Apparently, you have not been around here long enough to see the obnoxious smart mouths on this site.

Yes and most of them are joking, when your comments are just down right attacking. Like I said it is nice to argue, have discussions, and opinions. It is another thing to say something mean about someone. Like "VERY GOOD" about me dying.

[ebaugh1990]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

Posted like a true enthusiast!!

Thanks, I enjoy simple things in life haha. My camaro being the main one.


My dad built a 383 striker with an aggressive cam, he told me once he got it put In his truck he wouldn't even bother installing a radio

[Frank in MD]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

You must have a bowtie tatooed to your forehead.

I knew it.

So anyone that disagrees with your opinion is a GM fanboy, right?

Nice try, bud. I noticed that you still haven't responded to my original post where I addressed where you were coming from. Do you know why you haven't responded to it? Probably b/c you can't. Every point I made is irrefutable.

The Civic is all new for 13, well not really.... They actually made such a cheap POS that was supposed to be all new for '12, but even perpetual advocates Consumer Reports panned Honda for the embarrassment that was the '12 Civic.

You have no idea what it is you're talking about for first off, comparing a Honda Civic or an Accord to a Camaro. It's a totally different market. I understand what you're trying to say, but your facts are off b/c you're saying that Honda puts more crap in a base 16K car than Chevy puts in a base 26K car. Implying a 10K gap. BTW, I'm not sure if you realized how off you were on your numbers, b/c as I mentioned the Civic starts @ $18,100 and the Camaro starts @ $24,200, plus the Camaro has $1,000 rebate so it's really $23,200. One of many facts you are incorrect about. Pointing that out doesn't make me a fanboy, it makes you look silly. It's a five grand difference, not a ten grand difference.

Honda put all that content in the car not b/c they're innovators, but b/c Hyundai/Kia is putting all of that and more in their cars and they're making serious inroads to Hondas customer base. Honda didn't have Satellite radio or aux ipod jacks on the LX before this brand new version of the Civic. Not to mention that you're still comparing the new Civic to a vehicle that's in year 4 of it's product cycle. You can't just put every cool upgrade in a car w/out pricing yourself out of the competitive market.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that you are incapable of understanding that you are wrong in every possible way. Chevy hasn't cheaped out on anything. Before the Camaro came back in 2009 as a '10 MY, the segment leader, Ford Mustang had a V8 that barely produced 300 HP (315 HP & 325 Tq) for the V8 GT. Chevrolet put so much content into the "pony car" segment that Ford had to react and change their entire vehicle. (Not to mention 400/426 HP) Ford also were a company that "cheaped out" by not even offering bluetooth or a premium audio up until 2011 MY unless you went to V6 Premium or GT Premium. Chevy were the innovators there, but you pan GM and not Ford? Right, that sounds perfectly sane....

4 years later, you want to compare content on a completely different segment, in a completely new car....? and your point is? What? Just admit you're wrong dude, that would be the classy way out.

As for the knucklehead who said the Spark is 16K and doesn't have bluetooth or USB, he is also flat out wrong. The Spark has more bang for the buck than ANY segment vehicle. The LT starts @ $14,595 has all Power options, Cruise, 10 Air Bags, Bluetooth, USB, 7" Color Touch Screen, Audio Streaming w/ Pandora and Stitcher and coming soon will launch an app to stream Navigation for a one time charge or $50.00.

I'll say that again. FIFTY DOLLARS. Know who else gives you that? NOBODY. Just admit you're wrong, save face and apologize or else forever be known as a forum troll. Unless you just don't care about that....

[ebaugh1990]

I'll tattoo a bowtie on my arm, planned on it ever since I owned my first chevy

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Frank in MD

I knew it.

So anyone that disagrees with your opinion is a GM fanboy, right?

Nice try, bud. I noticed that you still haven't responded to my original post where I addressed where you were coming from. Do you know why you haven't responded to it? Probably b/c you can't. Every point I made is irrefutable.

The Civic is all new for 13, well not really.... They actually made such a cheap POS that was supposed to be all new for '12, but even perpetual advocates Consumer Reports panned Honda for the embarrassment that was the '12 Civic.

You have no idea what it is you're talking about for first off, comparing a Honda Civic or an Accord to a Camaro. It's a totally different market. I understand what you're trying to say, but your facts are off b/c you're saying that Honda puts more crap in a base 16K car than Chevy puts in a base 26K car. Implying a 10K gap. BTW, I'm not sure if you realized how off you were on your numbers, b/c as I mentioned the Civic starts @ $18,100 and the Camaro starts @ $24,200, plus the Camaro has $1,000 rebate so it's really $23,200. One of many facts you are incorrect about. Pointing that out doesn't make me a fanboy, it makes you look silly. It's a five grand difference, not a ten grand difference.

Honda put all that content in the car not b/c they're innovators, but b/c Hyundai/Kia is putting all of that and more in their cars and they're making serious inroads to Hondas customer base. Honda didn't have Satellite radio or aux ipod jacks on the LX before this brand new version of the Civic. Not to mention that you're still comparing the new Civic to a vehicle that's in year 4 of it's product cycle. You can't just put every cool upgrade in a car w/out pricing yourself out of the competitive market.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that you are incapable of understanding that you are wrong in every possible way. Chevy hasn't cheaped out on anything. Before the Camaro came back in 2009 as a '10 MY, the segment leader, Ford Mustang had a V8 that barely produced 300 HP (315 HP & 325 Tq) for the V8 GT. Chevrolet put so much content into the "pony car" segment that Ford had to react and change their entire vehicle. (Not to mention 400/426 HP) Ford also were a company that "cheaped out" by not even offering bluetooth or a premium audio up until 2011 MY unless you went to V6 Premium or GT Premium. Chevy were the innovators there, but you pan GM and not Ford? Right, that sounds perfectly sane....

4 years later, you want to compare content on a completely different segment, in a completely new car....? and your point is? What? Just admit you're wrong dude, that would be the classy way out.

As for the knucklehead who said the Spark is 16K and doesn't have bluetooth or USB, he is also flat out wrong. The Spark has more bang for the buck than ANY segment vehicle. The LT starts @ $14,595 has all Power options, Cruise, 10 Air Bags, Bluetooth, USB, 7" Color Touch Screen, Audio Streaming w/ Pandora and Stitcher and coming soon will launch an app to stream Navigation for a one time charge or $50.00.

I'll say that again. FIFTY DOLLARS. Know who else gives you that? NOBODY. Just admit you're wrong, save face and apologize or else forever be known as a forum troll. Unless you just don't care about that....

[Cheveey57]

Originally Posted by Frank in MD

I knew it.

So anyone that disagrees with your opinion is a GM fanboy, right?

Nice try, bud. I noticed that you still haven't responded to my original post where I addressed where you were coming from. Do you know why you haven't responded to it? Probably b/c you can't. Every point I made is irrefutable.

The Civic is all new for 13, well not really.... They actually made such a cheap POS that was supposed to be all new for '12, but even perpetual advocates Consumer Reports panned Honda for the embarrassment that was the '12 Civic.

You have no idea what it is you're talking about for first off, comparing a Honda Civic or an Accord to a Camaro. It's a totally different market. I understand what you're trying to say, but your facts are off b/c you're saying that Honda puts more crap in a base 16K car than Chevy puts in a base 26K car. Implying a 10K gap. BTW, I'm not sure if you realized how off you were on your numbers, b/c as I mentioned the Civic starts @ $18,100 and the Camaro starts @ $24,200, plus the Camaro has $1,000 rebate so it's really $23,200. One of many facts you are incorrect about. Pointing that out doesn't make me a fanboy, it makes you look silly. It's a five grand difference, not a ten grand difference.

Honda put all that content in the car not b/c they're innovators, but b/c Hyundai/Kia is putting all of that and more in their cars and they're making serious inroads to Hondas customer base. Honda didn't have Satellite radio or aux ipod jacks on the LX before this brand new version of the Civic. Not to mention that you're still comparing the new Civic to a vehicle that's in year 4 of it's product cycle. You can't just put every cool upgrade in a car w/out pricing yourself out of the competitive market.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that you are incapable of understanding that you are wrong in every possible way. Chevy hasn't cheaped out on anything. Before the Camaro came back in 2009 as a '10 MY, the segment leader, Ford Mustang had a V8 that barely produced 300 HP (315 HP & 325 Tq) for the V8 GT. Chevrolet put so much content into the "pony car" segment that Ford had to react and change their entire vehicle. (Not to mention 400/426 HP) Ford also were a company that "cheaped out" by not even offering bluetooth or a premium audio up until 2011 MY unless you went to V6 Premium or GT Premium. Chevy were the innovators there, but you pan GM and not Ford? Right, that sounds perfectly sane....

4 years later, you want to compare content on a completely different segment, in a completely new car....? and your point is? What? Just admit you're wrong dude, that would be the classy way out.

As for the knucklehead who said the Spark is 16K and doesn't have bluetooth or USB, he is also flat out wrong. The Spark has more bang for the buck than ANY segment vehicle. The LT starts @ $14,595 has all Power options, Cruise, 10 Air Bags, Bluetooth, USB, 7" Color Touch Screen, Audio Streaming w/ Pandora and Stitcher and coming soon will launch an app to stream Navigation for a one time charge or $50.00.

I'll say that again. FIFTY DOLLARS. Know who else gives you that? NOBODY. Just admit you're wrong, save face and apologize or else forever be known as a forum troll. Unless you just don't care about that....

I' gonna bet he won't respond again, but you are 100% correct. If he had read your post and other posts this post would have died 7 pages ago.