what makes our cars soo damn heavy??

[ayousef]

Originally Posted by Skylane765

You hit the nail on the head! American cars are big, heavy cars drive well also over bumps and are quiet. If you want a light car, you buy a race car that is not a compromise like a Vett.

If you want a light Camaro you buy a COPO or just make one. GM will sell all the parts.

You can not make a safe quiet nice looking car and fast for the street for $60k and have it light weight.

They're still not selling COPO parts just yet.

I had four C6 corvettes before my ZL1, and it was time for a change until the high-performance versions of the C7 are released.

PS. I cant squeeze a 4.0 whipple in a vette. The vette is a really nice platform, but is a pain to work with due to packaging space/ cooling space restrictions.

[Skylane765]

Originally Posted by ayousef

They're still not selling COPO parts just yet.

I had four C6 corvettes before my ZL1, and it was time for a change until the high-performance versions of the C7 are released.

PS. I cant squeeze a 4.0 whipple in a vette. The vette is a really nice platform, but is a pain to work with due to packaging space/ cooling space restrictions.

They will be soon. Yes I did say Will sell the COPO parts and it may be any day, I was sent a email and catalog.

[Skylane765]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

LOL

You know what to say when they say they lost weight? Look at your rear end and you will see it.

[G-Oil Guy]

Has anyone said "your mom" yet?

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by ayousef

Trying to find excuses for why our cars are pigs but I cant, where is all the weight coming from? I come from a world of Corvettes, and those are some of the lightest sport cars you can buy without having to rob the bank, so what happened on the Camaro?

I was doing a power to weight calculation and for a corvette to hang with a 1000bhp camaro, it only needs 800bhp, and this is not even factoring in for aerodynamics and other variables.

what do you guys think? Has anyone done anything for a STREET camaro as far as weight reduction goes? I know there are some threads but those involve making it more of a race car.

...if you wanna do battle, this is the body and chasis to go with....the upgrade factor is immense. Little if any needs to be done to the car except pile on horsepower. Thats why. It' stout, solid, strong, unweilding to physics, and it's competition is at a disadvantage. If you build, start with a strong foundation as this design. And there you have it....voila....the Camaro ZL1 has a much higher threshold of designed performance to achieve, just add some HP.

[mrmarklin]

If you want a sports car buy a Corvette.

The original pony car concept has always been a 2+2 coupe. Always some semblance of practicality. I like the weight because I'll be doing a lot of driving on pretty marginal bumpy roads. I hope the suspension sophistication coupled with the weight will smooth it out!

[Dega Man]

The difference in weight come from the ZL1 having a much stronger and heavy duty transmisiion, rear end, axle and suspension system.

[ayousef]

Originally Posted by mrmarklin

If you want a sports car buy a Corvette.

The original pony car concept has always been a 2+2 coupe. Always some semblance of practicality. I like the weight because I'll be doing a lot of driving on pretty marginal bumpy roads. I hope the suspension sophistication coupled with the weight will smooth it out!

weight smoothes out the drive on bumpy roads? ever heard of shock valving? thats what one of the major players in the damping characteristics of the suspension. Adding weight isnt.

[ayousef]

Originally Posted by gregp

dont waste your time...he'll never understand.
i once had a monkey and no matter how hard i tried to teach him algebra...he never got it.

bring it on mr algebra, and well find out whos the monkey here

[ZL1-V]

If you want a better handling car reduce the unsprung weight first.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by ayousef

Trying to find excuses for why our cars are pigs but I cant, where is all the weight coming from? I come from a world of Corvettes, and those are some of the lightest sport cars you can buy without having to rob the bank, so what happened on the Camaro?

I was doing a power to weight calculation and for a corvette to hang with a 1000bhp camaro, it only needs 800bhp, and this is not even factoring in for aerodynamics and other variables.

what do you guys think? Has anyone done anything for a STREET camaro as far as weight reduction goes? I know there are some threads but those involve making it more of a race car.

The Camaro is a somewhat large 4 seater with an all steel construction. It will not be as light as a small plastic bodied 2 seat Corvette. This is easily worth a couple hundred kilos.

The reason why most of the weight reduction turns the cars into race cars not street cars is because the only place you can eliminate large amounts of weight on a car thats already been built is in the interior, and the cheapest (and most effective) is to just gut the thing. Making a factory replacement piece lighter, with all the same features (or more), is either very expensive or impossible. As such, it usually isn't done.

[MY CA.ZL1]

Originally Posted by Normagene

ayousef; "our cars are pigs". Sounds like you're saying its the perfect MAN car. Like the saying goes "Men, their all pigs". I love my fat bottomed ZL1! This is American made and here in America it's not about how you feel, it's all about how you look. And we look really good in one of these. Americans are slightly plump! So why not are cars!

while my ZL1 is giving me great joy as my 2011 ss modded did.i wonder were one would say this is a america made car when the engine was build in mexico and the car was put together in canda?lol

[RedWingsZL1]

Oh look, another person who likes to state that the engine is MANUFACTURED in Mexico and the car is ASSEMBLED in Canada.

Last I checked, General Motors (Detriot, Michigan, USA) designed the car and sent the plans to their factories to have the parts made and put together. Pretty sure you'd consider a Toyota an import right? Oh joke is on you, it's mostly assembled inside the UNITED STATES. Doesn't make it an american car.

Don't worry, the Gen6 Camaro's will be way more American than the Gen5 obviously, since they're moving the plant to Lansing, MI.

[Angrybird 12]

If you were Conceived in Australia, then Born in Canada to American Parents are you still Considered an American?