F-Body?

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by Rocky1974

Sure you are. You called me a troll first. And you are not calling it like it is. This has already been settled by none other than the F-Bod Father himself.


I think he wants you to come see him. He's probably going to make you write "The 5th Gen Camaro is a F-Body" 500 times.

I don't believe it is a true F- body. Sue me. In fact, I might go take my VIN plates off, file down the "F", and change it to an "A". Then I'll tell everyone I really have a Chevelle

[derklug]

They are graded, and they always recieve an F. What more do you need to know?



How in the world do people worry about this? If you like it, drive it and enjoy. You could call my wife Edna, but I would still love her.

[revychevy]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

this issue comes up with regularity.

Thru much of the 20th century, the various 'platforms' at GM were identified by Letters -- Impala, Catalina, LeSabre, 88 were "B" Bodies - Electra, DeVille, 98 were "C" Bodies........there were variations - for instance in the 70s - a Chevelle was an "A" Body - yet a Monte Carlo was an "A-Special" body......

Nova, Omega, Ventura, and Apollo were "X" Bodies (in the late 60s and early 70s ...by the way - did any of you ever notice what happens when you take the first letters of those four car lines and combine them.................................??)

(....things that make you go 'hmmmmmmm'........)
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Camaro and Firebird were 'F' bodies.

When the U.S. Government passed the latest standardized VIN system (...started in 1980...) the 'body' was included in the VIN. (it had been before - but in numerals versus letters in the 60s and prior years...)

We have since gone to the greek alphabet......making things even more complicated - there are "GMX xxx" for cars and "GMT xxx" for trucks....the current Camaro is a GMX521 and GMX511...........

...........THAT SAID..............go look at your VIN. There's an "F" there.

1st position (of the VIN) represents the country in which the vehicle was built - 1 is U.S. 2 is Canada 3 is Mexico - etc.............

2nd position represents the manufacturer - "G" is for General Motors.

3rd position is 'Division' 1 is Chevy.

4th position is "vehicle line" (that would be "F" on a Camaro..........!!!)

(and 5th is 'series' -- that's what separates an LS from an LT from an SS from a ZL1.....)





It's an "F" body using the old nomenclature.

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

Hallelujah! And there's my answer. Done and done.

[revychevy]

Originally Posted by Rocky1974

Sure you are. You called me a troll first. And you are not calling it like it is. This has already been settled by none other than the F-Bod Father himself.


I think he wants you to come see him. He's probably going to make you write "The 5th Gen Camaro is a F-Body" 500 times.

Hahaha awesome!

[KarFan]

Zeta is actually E Vehicle Line/Series not F. But I believe the Camaro team actually sought to have E VIN code changed to F to further designate the Camaro and for a nostalgic link back the to previous generations. This part of the explanation seems to be missing. . .

Obviously some people actually care as seen in this thread and so it seems to have been worth it. But really for the sake of accuracy the correct answer is the 5th Gen Camaro is a F Vehicle Line/Series. Calling it an F-body wouldn't be correct enough for the sake of semantics with the current nomenclature.

This should make for an interesting conversation the next time someone says the 5th Gen isn't an F-body and the response is it's an F-Series! Should raise some eyebrows...

[102SS]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

this issue comes up with regularity.

Thru much of the 20th century, the various 'platforms' at GM were identified by Letters -- Impala, Catalina, LeSabre, 88 were "B" Bodies - Electra, DeVille, 98 were "C" Bodies........there were variations - for instance in the 70s - a Chevelle was an "A" Body - yet a Monte Carlo was an "A-Special" body......

Nova, Omega, Ventura, and Apollo were "X" Bodies (in the late 60s and early 70s ...by the way - did any of you ever notice what happens when you take the first letters of those four car lines and combine them.................................??)

(....things that make you go 'hmmmmmmm'........)

Camaro and Firebird were 'F' bodies.

When the U.S. Government passed the latest standardized VIN system (...started in 1980...) the 'body' was included in the VIN. (it had been before - but in numerals versus letters in the 60s and prior years...)

We have since gone to the greek alphabet......making things even more complicated - there are "GMX xxx" for cars and "GMT xxx" for trucks....the current Camaro is a GMX521 and GMX511...........

...........THAT SAID..............go look at your VIN. There's an "F" there.

1st position (of the VIN) represents the country in which the vehicle was built - 1 is U.S. 2 is Canada 3 is Mexico - etc.............

2nd position represents the manufacturer - "G" is for General Motors.

3rd position is 'Division' 1 is Chevy.

4th position is "vehicle line" (that would be "F" on a Camaro..........!!!)

(and 5th is 'series' -- that's what separates an LS from an LT from an SS from a ZL1.....)





It's an "F" body using the old nomenclature.

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

Thanks for clearing it up Scott

[MYDLIFECRISIS]

I'm going to believe fbodfather!! I mean, he is it's daddy!

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by Rocky1974

You're confusing yourself. Platform and body are 2 different things. The 5th Gen F-Body is on a Zeta II platform. That's why I could never understand the "It can't be a F-Body because it's on a Zeta II platform!" argument. GM is the manufacturer and they can put whatever body on whatever platform they want. And then they can assign whatever letter to that body they want. They assigned "F" to the 5th Gen Camaro making it a 5th Gen F-Body!

Your wrong.

Your assuming that a Nameplate (Camaro) always has the same "body" designation.

Using the Impala as a perfect example, it went from being a B-Body to a W-Body when it switched platforms in 2000.

67-02 the platform was tweaked and upgraded but the bare bones remained the same, that's why it was an F-Body.

2010+ Camaro is an E-body using GM nomenclature, the Camaro team fought and won to have the F put in the VIN code to make people like you feel good.

Nobody fought to have the B kept in the Impala VIN, probably because they did not want to be seen with that car.

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by MLL67RSSS

Kind of ironic in a way, the Zeta body (greek alphabet now used) platform Camaro has a "F" in the VIN, and the original "F" (Latin alphabet GM formerly used) body platform Camaros didn't have an "F" in the VIN.
It should be noted that "Zeta" is the 6th character in the Greek alphabet and "F" is the 6th character in the Latin/Roman alphabet we use, I guess just to further confuse things. You see A Greek "Zeta" = Latin/Roman "F". So in effect they are Greek F-bodies!

Not sure if I understud your definition of F Greek Bodies
But I would send it to a lab and try to ointment point the ancestors all the to the
Stone Age , then try to bring their Kings and such back to FIX TODAY's GREEKS FREAKING PROBLEMS

[SSRS1LE]

Originally Posted by KarFan

Zeta is actually E Vehicle Line/Series not F. But I believe the Camaro team actually sought to have E VIN code changed to F to further designate the Camaro and for a nostalgic link back the to previous generations. This part of the explanation seems to be missing. . .

That's correct. The Zeta platform Camaro was slated to have the proper body code "E" during development, but several enthusiasts pleaded for Chevy to make an "exception" to the VIN coding standard by using a non-matching F designation.

The Camaro Team, most notably Product Manager Cheryl Pilcher, pushed this "exception" through: http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/2010...ilcher-684475/

So yes, it's an F-body by "exception", not design. Still that should be good enough for folks that prefer the F-body designation.

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Your assuming that a Nameplate (Camaro) always has the same "body" designation.

I didn't assume anything. I looked at the VIN on my car.

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Your wrong.

Originally Posted by fbodfather

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

I think Scott wants to see you.

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

I don't believe it is a true F- body. Sue me. In fact, I might go take my VIN plates off, file down the "F", and change it to an "A". Then I'll tell everyone I really have a Chevelle

Yeah, I see what you mean. There's absolutely nothing defensive about you at all. And you call other people OCD?

[Bodih]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

It's an "F" body using the old nomenclature.

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

I'm not about to start calling you "Zeta-BodFather"!!!

[SSpartan117]

Originally Posted by Rocky1974

You're confusing yourself. Platform and body are 2 different things. The 5th Gen F-Body is on a Zeta II platform. That's why I could never understand the "It can't be a F-Body because it's on a Zeta II platform!" argument. GM is the manufacturer and they can put whatever body on whatever platform they want. And then they can assign whatever letter to that body they want. They assigned "F" to the 5th Gen Camaro making it a 5th Gen F-Body!

So it is a F-body in name kind of like how AMG's 63's are actually 6.2L or 5.5L in displacement?